Rank our WRs

[Essex Johnson]

(05-23-2016, 10:54 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That is a downright silly argument, Essex. By no means does it take 4 to 5 years to find out what you have in players. That's right up there with the people who called Kirkpatrick a rookie for like 4 years.

-It took 2 to start a conversation and 3 to establish Geno Atkins at one of the best DT in the game right now without a doubt.
-It took Burfict 2 to make himself one of the best 4-3 LB in the NFL.
-OBJ was in the conversation to be among the best right from his rookie year.
-Adrian Peterson was one of the best from Day 1.
-It took Peyton Manning only 2 years.
-It took Antonio Brown 2 years (his second year was actually the first he got ANY starts, so by your 4-5 years of starting criteria, it only took him 1 year).
-It took AJ Green 2 years to be a top-10 guy.

etc, etc, etc

There is no way that it takes 4-5 years of starting to know what you have in a player, and how good they are.


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As for his theoretical 10 year numbers, it WON'T be HoF numbers by the time he is eligible (5 years after retirement, so 10 years from now in your 10 year career scenario) because of how the game has changed...

Dante Lavelli ('46-'56): 386/6,488/72
Raymond Berry ('55-'67): 631/9,275/68
Charlie Joiner ('69-'86): 750/12,146/65
Tim Brown (''88-'04): 1,094/14,934/100

Chances are, you're going to need 1,300/20,000/130-type numbers in order to get in by the time AJ Green is eligible. Anquan Boldin is sitting on 13,195 yards and he probably won't make it in seeing as how there's 3 active players with more yards and Marshall will almost certainly pass him before he retires.

When Boldin entered the NFL in 2003, there were 2 QBs who passed for 4,000+ yards.
When AJ entered the NFL in 2011, there were 10 QBs who passed for 4,000+ yards and 3 who passed for 5,000+ yards.
Last year, even with all the QB injuries and backup QBs who were playing, there were still 12 QBs who passed for 4,000 yards.

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Side note: You really don't think Marshall compares with AJ? He's been playing at a higher level than AJ for a bit now. Guy has put up at least 1,200 yard seasons with 4 different teams with a plethora of various shit QBs (Cutler, Orton, Henne, Thigpen, Moore, Campbell, McCown, Clausen, Fitzpatrick), including 2 seasons of 1,500+ yards.

Plus Hopkins has gone from 800 yards, to 1,200 yards, to 1,500 yards.. with some of the worst QBs in the league. (Schaub, Keenum, Fitzpatrick, Hoyer, Mallett, Weeden, Yates)


(Holy shit those are some really bad QBs. I knew they were bad, but actually typing all those out really hit harder than reading them. Lol)

Obviously you did not read my post very well I said to fairly evaluate a player four to five years is very legitimate some players have great first year some players have great couple years but really you need some time to fairly evaluate a player so you're just plain wrong for my opinion, you also ignored what I thought was a very good point targets you're not going to get as high yards if you're not being targeted as often As for Hopkins i mentioned he is on a nice run let's see how he does with more weapons if his his stats go down the next two years are you going to say he's on a downturn spin. So you're saying AJ continues with those numbers you do not believe he's a outside possibility of Hall of Fame ???? If you don't you really are not looking at those his performance very well sorry just how it is as for Marshall nver said was not good but he's had some up-and-down years AJ stays consistent through his career he ends up a better player plain and simple . As for comparing eras and passing there's also something you're not taking into account there are way more number one/two/three type receivers than there ever were before the ball gets passed around a lot more to different players receivers running backs tight ends now so that 4000 yards you're talking about is spread out among many more players than previous players and other eras guess you didn't think about that one did you. I do agree there is inflated passing stats but even with taking that into account with what I pointed out I still believe AJ's numbers over 10 to 13-year career we'll put him on the possibility of Hall of Fame