05-28-2016, 06:11 PM
(05-28-2016, 12:50 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Thankfully, such disrespectful and asinine opinions about Dalton are becoming more rare. If you really believe that Dalton and McCarron are on the same level, that's a pretty lonely opinion to have. Dalton was considered a better prospect in the draft, he made throws all last season - on a rope - that I've never seen Mac make, and neither has looked good in the playoffs.
In regular season, Dalton has won big games on a regular basis. Seattle last season. Swept the Ravens 2 years running (and he was arguably the MVP of all those games). Pats. Packers. Broncos. Dalton has beaten pretty much every great team. Mac has beaten...the 49ers and Mallet-led Ravens?? How sad that some insist on comparing them when their resumes are miles apart.
People like you always insinuate that it's the talent around Dalton that "carries" him. I think 2014 put that theory to bed. The elite defense ranked 22nd that year. Eifert and MLJ were on IR. AJ missed 5 games. Yet we still won 10 games that year. How? Well if you check the game logs for those 10 wins, Dalton pretty much played well in all of them, despite having a receiving group that was patched together all year.
Last season, Dalton was on pace for 4200 yards and 33 TDs (37 if you count rush TDs) before his injury. That'd make for an interesting definition of "game manager". Meanwhile, if you take McCarron's 4 starts and average it out over a full season, it comes out to 3056 yards and 20 TDs. Now that would be game manager numbers.
First of all , no I didn't say anything disrespectful. Second, my opininion is no more or less "asinine" than yours or anyone elses. I did not say that AJ is on the same level as Dalton. What I am saying is that if given the opportunity to play and develop, AJ could quickly get to or beyond Dalton's level and it wouldn't take him until his fifth year to show something more than average play. Also ,I'm not running for office around here so I'm fine with having a lonely opinion. Yes Dalton made alot of good throws and did it pretty consistently last year for the first time in his career. I hope that continues. As for the playoffs I gave Andy a pass his first two years. When he continued to stink it up for the next two, I was ready to move on. If he can pick up where he left off last year, and be something more than awful on the big stage, I will gladly hop on the bandwagon and be thrilled about being proven wrong.
Sure, Dalton has won some regular season games against good teams, good job, I hope to see more of that.
Ok here is my look at Andy's 10 wins of 2014.
@BAL (10-6)- 25-38, 301 with 1TD and 0 INT
GOOD GAME ! AJ Green had 131 YDS and 1 TD
Vs ATL(6-10) - 15-24, 252 with 1TD and 0 INT
Andy executed run heavy, dink and dunk fest well. Game manager type performance. Matt Ryan threw 3 INT. AJ Green not on the boxscore.
Vs TENN(2-14) - 15 - 23, 169 with 0 TD and 1 INT
Game manager type performance. Tenn was lousy Jake Locker threw 2 INT. AJ Green had 102 YDS
Vs BAL(10-6) - 21 - 28, 266 with 0 TD and 1INT
I'm going to say good game despite the pick. Nic game winning drive at the end.AJ Green not on the boxscore
Vs JAX(3-13) - 19 - 31, 233 with 2 TD and 2 INT
Game manager type performance. Hill ran wild and Jax was terrible. AJ Green had 44 YDS and 1 TD
@ NO(7-9) - 16 - 22, 220 with 3 TD and 0 INT
Good game against so-so NO team. Hill ran wild again. AJ Green had 127 YDS and 1 TD
@ HOU(9-7) - 24 - 35, 233 with 1 TD and 1 INT
Game manager type performance against Mallet led Texans. AJ Green had 121 YDS.
@ TB(2-14) - 19 - 27, 176 with 1 TD and 3 INT
Bad game against bad Bucs. AJ Green had 57 YDS and 1 TD
@ CLE(7-9) - 14 - 24, 117 with 0 TD and 1 INT
Bad game against Manziel led Browns. AJ Green had 49 YDS. Hill and Gio carried the Offense in this one
Vs DEN(12-4) - 17 - 26, 146 with 2 TD and 1 INT
Game manager type performance. Hill ran wild. Manning threw 4 INT. AJ Green was a decoy.
So here is "how" Andy Dalton won 10 games in 2014....
3 "good" games.
5 "game manager" wins.
2 wins where he won despite being terrible.
Also, not counting the decoy game against Denver, AJ Green played in 7 of those wins and had 100 YDS and/or a touchdown in 6 of those wins.
This is why "people like me" insinuate that Dalton is carried by a talented roster and why 2014 does not "put to bed" the fact that Andy Dalton has been a game manager at best for the first four seasons of his career.
Now as for 2015. Andy Dalton was mostly VERY good and I like that but I need to see more before I can forget what he has been for 4 years. As for the numbers that Andy and AJ were on pace for....5th year man Dalton's look very good and 5th game man Mccarron's look alot like Dalton in years 1 through 4.
