Pete Prisco ranks NFL starting QBs

[Brownshoe]

(06-06-2016, 03:55 AM)MrRager Wrote: There is zero statistical evidence that the defense plays a role in a QB's performance. That' why I didn't even bother to mention them. Yes, it helps them win games, but doesn't make Wilson appear better than he is. I am not one of those poeple who thinks winning is the be all end all in ranking QBs. In fact, team success can be one of the worst ways to rank QBs.
https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/4251/does-a-quarterback-s-defense-impact-his-performance#

This was the first link I could find real quick, but there was a similar PFF and FO post I've read. 

Rawls was good, and I think he is a good player, but Wilson helps make him look even better. Look at how well Lynch played before he played with Wilson. He wasn't great in Buffalo. Either way I thought we were just talking about 2015. 

The line is bad. I even mentioned in my previous post that sites rank them bad when they account for how long a QB holds the ball. PFF attributes sacks/pressures to QBs if they think it was his fault for holding onto the ball for too long and they still rated the line #30 in the league. 

He only had Graham for 10 games and actually performed better with him out. You always talked about how Dalton never had any weapons around him, but now you going to argue that Wilson has had a solid supporting cast of receivers? That's crazy. Sure a few of their players were better than our 3rd and 5th options on the team, but you're comparing their best option to our third. Of course Baldwin is better than Jones. I would have been very curious to see what you thought of Baldwin and Kearse before this year. That is a below average starting WR duo no matter how you slice it. 

I said I was done after the first post, but for some reason kept responding. I'm done. Wilson is a top 7ish QB in the NFL, had a top 3 season last year, and will most likely continue to be great no matter what happens around him. You can continue to ignore and place all of his success on people around him instead of appreciating the young, exciting career of a player on the path to the HOF.  

lol if you don't think that defense helps a QB then you have a lot to learn. A good defense can put you in good field position to score more points. A good defense will allow your offense to open more of the playbook. A good defense allows your offense to be on the field longer wearing down the opponents defense. It's very telling that you don't think that defenses don't help or hurt QBs.

The year before Wilson joined the Seahawks Lynch's numbers were 1200 yards and 12 TDs, and under Wilson he averaged 180 more yards a season and the same amount of TDs. Like I said, he helped Lynch, but he didn't help him as much as you try to claim.

Dalton hasn't had very good weapons throughout his career. The only year that you could say he had above average weapons was in 2013, and he had good weapons in 2015. Wilson has had one of the best running games in the league throughout his career, which opens up the pass game tremendously, but you keep trying to ignore that, or maybe you just didn't know that. He has still had solid receivers on top of that too. Maybe no dominant #1 receiver, but a good running game easily makes up for that.

It seems that a lot of your assumptions are based on lack of knowledge of the game.