07-06-2015, 12:54 AM
(07-04-2015, 06:25 PM)Hammerthis Wrote: IMO anyone seriously thinking Andy is on par with Carson, does so out of biase. Therefore, I'll be brief. Carson didn't have a #1 ranked pass protection OL, nor a great defense. He had two good WRs.
Andy has 1st round draft talent all around him, good grief man! The players on our team make Andy better, Carson makes his teammates better.
Lol. You're funny.
Outside of Whit, who would you take now over the 05 line?
Smith over Anderson? No.
Steinbach or Bobbie Williams over Boling or Zeitler?
And I won't even give you the option on between Rich Braham over Bodine, because that's wrong.
Levi Jones was also an extraordinary player while here too.
Palmer had two All-Pro players in 05. Chad and Anderson.
Palmer had a better overall line than we do now. Palmer had better, more polisher receivers than we have now.
And 1st round talent doesn't mean anything. There are 1st round busts all the time. Draft status means nothing.
Palmer had an established run game in Rudi Johnson. Dalton had an aging Benson, BJGE, but now has a legit rushing tandem.
Palmer had a defense that got turnovers. While it wasn't a top 10 defense, they were great at getting turnovers.
Quit making excuses for Palmer. He had good weapons. A great offensive line. And a defense that would get him the ball back.
What did Dalton have that Palmer didn't in 05? A receiving tight end.
Everything Dalton has is on paper. There's been very little consistency from Dalton's weapons. Sure, some can have a good season, but there's little consistency.
But still, nothing you have said has proven that Palmer could win playoff games. He didn't win important games in 06 to get them into the playoffs. In 07 he had two receivers with 1,000+ yards and 8+ TDs, had a deep threat in Henry, and had Kenny Watson coming into his own.
Palmer couldn't win playoff games while he was here, he proved it. You can do "what if's" with 05 all you want, but he proved besides that year that he couldn't get it done here.
