Bengals players upset with Coyle

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(09-26-2016, 10:42 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: You realize that more than just a secondary can give up TDs, right?

Adam Jones and Kirkpatrick both have only 1 TD scored against them. Have held Marshall, Decker, and AB in check.

Iloka gave up one passing TD to Grimble. But overall they've done well.

It's the coverage against tight ends and running backs that has hurt them the most. There's been 4 passing TDs to tight ends or running backs.

We're not used to the lack of defensive line play. 4 sacks all year with a healthy Dunlap and Atkins. Will Clarke leads the team with sacks.

The Bengals defense has been thrown at 107 times. But yet they are 4th best in lowest completion percentage allowed.

Now, not only is the defensive line struggling with pass coverage, we all have seen it's woes with the run game. Allowed 109 YPG. Even after only allowed 52 yards last game. But the Jets and Steelers both had over 125 rushing yards.

Also, when it comes to secondary, watch the Broncos game again. Adam Jones struggled, but there was a ton of dink and dunk plays against our LBs. It seems the defense likes to play off and have a very big bend but don't break approach.

Sure. Secondary had some trouble last game. But outside of the deep pass to Jones and seam route to Iloka, the secondary has done well.

However. Dennard has been struggling mightily this season, which comes as a big surprise. Shaw looks light years ahead of him.

I agree with almost everything in this post. The secondary hasn't been terrible outside of E. Sanders owning Pacman. The dline hasn't shown up yet as far as pressure goes, but I disagree that they've struggled against the run. They held the Broncos to 52 yards. They didn't exactly stuff the Steelers, but they did hold them to around 3.0 ypc. Forte was solid, but he didn't exactly run us over.

(09-26-2016, 10:58 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: They've gone against Sanders, Thomas, AB, Marshall, and Decker. Done well in the first 2 games. Not so much against Sanders. Thomas did nothing until Lewis-Harris came in. But no one talks about that. Or that the defense was waiting on a play with their hands in the air.

Let's relax. Come talk about this team heading down the toilet if they lose to a team that hasn't made the playoffs last year.

You raise good points here. It hasn't been all bad with the secondary. That said, excellence (in regular season 1 pm games anyway) is what we've come to expect. There's cause for concern with all the 40+ yard plays, and that really was an awful game from Pacman. Honestly I think DreKirk has outplayed him this year.

One is playing like he wants a big contract, the other is playing like he just signed a new contract. Go figure. Fwiw, we need to beat playoff teams too. I refuse to accept a loss just because the opponent was quality. 

(09-26-2016, 11:13 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Did he? 

I don't recall the Bengals having great DB play until Zimmer arrived. Same Zimmer who got good play out of other team's castoff DBs like Newman, Nelson, Crocker, Clements. Hall was 2nd team All-Pro under Zimmer. Got Jones to revive his career as a CB.

(The same Zimmer who's D right now is 1st in sacks and 2nd in INT up there in Minnesota with arguably lesser players.)

In fairness, Coyle was the position coach for almost all of those guys. It wouldn't be fair to rip him now, yet give all the credit for the good times and players to someone else.