10-01-2016, 09:53 PM
(09-30-2016, 08:52 PM)Joelist Wrote: If people knew at their drafts how they would play as pros, Luck would have been the second round pick and Andy would have gone #1 in the draft.
I wouldn't go that far. Dalton probably would've gone 2nd overall behind Cam. The Colts may have thought about trading the pick and letting Peyton retire a Colt. I still think Luck would've been the top pick that year, but there's no doubt he hasn't lived up to the hype.
(09-30-2016, 09:12 PM)jason Wrote: This.
The colts have done Luck no favors these last few years. He doesn't have a whole lot to work with. Andy would struggle mightily on that team.
Has Dalton struggled with a consistently bad run game? Has he struggled with poor pass blocking in '12 and '16? Has he struggled after losing guys like MLJ, Sanu and Eifert? Let's face it...outside of AJ, Dalton doesn't have any real "weapons" this year, the run game and pass blocking have been atrocious. So how would the Colts be any worse than what he's presently dealing with?
(10-01-2016, 09:23 AM)Rhinocero23 Wrote: This is not even a serious question for any one outside of our fan base...our Andy fans are typically a bit delusional.
Good is not Great & Luck > Dalton. There is really nothing left to be said.
If "Andy fans" are delusional, make an argument based in facts. Shouldn't be too difficult if one side is being delusional.
(10-01-2016, 12:50 PM)Fresno B Wrote: I'd rather be educated by Stanford than TCU. Just sayin.
Listen to Andy, then listen to Andrew.
(10-01-2016, 01:55 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Yes, the stats do show that Luck came in and did more with less in their first 3 years.
I really don't see where the big difference is. Both had/have terrible run games, both had/have one great WR. Both have had quality TEs, Luck was beat up a little more but he holds the ball much longer - and there really wasn't much difference in sack numbers, Luck had a quality veteran #2 in Reggie Wayne. Say what you want about Wayne's age, I'd take him over Jerome Simpson or some raw rookies like Dalton had in year 2.
Other than AJ being better than Hilton (who is damned good), I'm just not seeing a huge gap in talent. Dalton's weapons were exaggerated beyond belief up until last year. Probably to explain why a perceived crappy QB was better than advertised. In contrast, I feel people exaggerated how BAD Luck's weapons were to explain away why he wasn't meeting expectations.
The offenses weren't all that different if you look at the facts.
The training, nutrition, medicine, fitness, playbooks and rules evolve. The athlete does not.
