10-09-2016, 01:09 PM
(10-09-2016, 10:02 AM)fredtoast Wrote: At a point where he consistently has better talent but loses anyway.
You want to fire Marvin for losing to the Texans when they had the number one defense and the nuber two rushing offense in the league while Marvin had starters like OG Mike McGlynn and WR Ryan Whalen on offense and a defense full of cheap retreads like Chris CRocker, Manny Lawson, Thomas Howard.
Personally I think that was a good coaching job instead of something he should be fired for.
This is ridiculous.
I could go through every team we lost to and pick out a few players that sucked. For example, we lost to teams quarterbacked by Sanchez and the great TJ Yates. Who were the Jets starting receivers again? I remember they had the mighty Shonn Greene at RB. The Chargers were just an awful playoff team outside of Rivers/Gates. Indy is devoid of talent on defense and we got ran over by a practice squad RB (Boom Herron). The Steelers had a terrible defense and we couldn't move the ball on them. The Steelers had to rotate 3rd and 4th string RBs because Bell and Williams were out.
The Bengals had plenty of talent. Enough to win 10+ games and beat plenty of other great teams during regular season. Teams like NE, GB, Seattle, Denver, Indy, etc. They swept a great division in '09.
Not buying that argument, and I'm certainly not buying it for 7 games. Even if we were outmatched in all 7 - we most definitely weren't - we still should have stumbled into at least one win with some of these teams that were talented enough to make the playoffs and win divisions repeatedly.
I'll end by asking this: how was Marv able to coach these junk teams to 10+ wins when they (according to you) lacked talent? Does lack of talent only become evident in the playoffs?
(10-09-2016, 11:13 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: How may new head coaches have entered the NFL since ML became head coach? How many won Super Bowls? Good luck finding the needle in a hay stack.
Idk man. This reads like you're saying we should be content with "pretty good" because there's not much chance of finding "great". I think all sports teams should strive for greatness.
Right now, there are 7 head coaches who have won Super Bowls. I'm sure all those teams had to hire/fire quite a few before they found those gems.
Now what would have happened if the Ravens had stuck with Billick and not hired Harbaugh? What if the Broncos had stuck with John Fox? Sometimes you have to move on. That doesn't mean hiring a new HC every year ala the Browns, but you shouldn't keep a HC who can't win a playoff game for 14 years either. There is middle ground.
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