07-13-2015, 03:29 PM
(07-13-2015, 02:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ...and to rank him 16th or better you can only say 5 at the most on that list are better than Andy:
Manning- Multiple Super Bowl rings and just came off a season better that Andy has ever had
Newton- Passing efficiency has pretty much mirrored each other throughout their careers. The difference is, Superman can run
Kaepernick- Has proven to be very efficient, has already been to a Super Bowl, and Superman may be the only better running QB in the NFL
Tannehill- Already has had a season with a better passer rating than Andy has had in his career and done so with lesser talent
Alex Smith- Very efficient QB. Compare his and Andy's playoff games against the Colts and get back to me.
This right here puts Andy at 17 and at this point you have to totally dismiss the promise of the one-year guys, the absolute cannons of Stafford and Cutler, the health of Bradford and Palmer, you have to assume RGIII and Foles were one-year wonders to keep him in the top 20's
I see your point, it's hard to look at the list and say that only 4 or less are clearly better, but at the same time it's hard to say that 5 or more are clearly better as well.
Manning - I do believe his 2014 puts him ahead of Andy if we're talking present time rankings. I'm with you there.
Newton - He's one of the others that I'd put ahead of Andy.
Kaep - Yuck, I don't know, I argued on the pro-Kaepernick side in the past, but I haven't seen much out of him over the last year or two that makes me want to keep that up. He had what, 1 or 2 impressive playoff games 2 or 3 years ago?
Tannehill - I think he's a decent to good QB but I also think there's a lot of ways to argue pro-Andy OR pro-Tannehill. It's a really tough call considering all of the circumstances. It's close to a toss up IMO
Alex Smith - I don't think it's a good argument when people say "Russell Wilson isn't asked to do a lot", but that description fits Alex Smith perfectly. I don't think the guy is a terrible QB or anything, but we're talking about a guy that just went an entire year without throwing a single TD pass to a wide receiver. His constant dink n' dunk passing has him in the bottom of the league in Yards in the Air percentage over the last couple of years, so he BETTER be efficient! His biggest year volume wise was a season that Andy had over 700 more total yards and 11 TDs, not to mention their passer ratings being almost identical that season. I don't know, I think the only real way you can say Smith is a better QB is if you only choose to look at playoff performance against the Colts in different seasons and total INT numbers.
I don't want to dismiss the promise of the 1 year guys, but I also can't put them ahead of Andy automatically based on potential and not what they've already done in the league. I'd probably trade Andy straight up for Bridgewater or Bortles today if you asked me, but that would be thinking for a long term commitment and not really who I think is better at this very moment and has proven it in the NFL. I can't put too many rookies/1 year guys over a vet that has proven to be at least decent unless the young guy had a very, very impressive season.
Stafford could be a toss up, he had a huge year this one time, but that was 4 years ago now. Since then, he hasn't really looked like anything special. I don't think it's crazy to say he hasn't looked much better (if at all) than Andy. Ditto on Cutler.
Sam Bradford has stayed healthy twice and has looked worse than Andy both years. Meh, I don't see how he's better at all. I don't even think he's equivalent to Andy at this point. CP is another that I like but I can't pretend a history of injury doesn't exist. He also hasn't exactly been lighting up the league when healthy either. Trust me, I'd love to rank CP higher, and I honestly hope I can after this season. I don't really buy a lot of jerseys, but I have a #9 in my closet, but I can't overrate him just because I'm a big fan.
Foles was more like a partial season wonder and what has RGIII done since his rookie year? It's not like he hasn't played a game since 2012 and we aren't sure what he's capable of. We've seen him in plenty of games since his rookie season and he hasn't been very impressive.
