Andy Dalton is really good

[Shake n Blake]

(12-01-2016, 02:35 PM)Rhinocero23 Wrote: My apologies if you felt disrespected by my post. It was not the intent. 

The topic was the NFL not NCAA. Headset technology is not used at the college level. 
The article posted and the subsequent point attempting to be made has zero relevance to the discussion.  

To the second point. I am confident any reasonable person would agree a playbook containing more plays would without a doubt require more time to signal or call-in. There would be two options to eliminate this issue. Simplify the options (shrink the playbook) or develop a faster system to communicate all the options. 

As the QB has more ability to physically and mentally execute a wider variety of options the playbook will expand.  The wristband method is used to combat the time constraints of the play clock. 

As I stated your assertion that Palmer is "not intelligent" and needs a wristband is inaccurate and unfounded. Interestingly enough McNabb is said to have refused to use the wristband because he thought it would "be bad for my image". Meaning that there would be fans who do not understand the value of the wristband playbook and claim him to be less intelligent. A tag that he did not want...especially as it would be applied to a black QB. His thought was simply, why give some people unfounded reason to feel better about their own inadequacies by making inaccurate claims about him.

I do not believe Palmer bashers are trying to make themselves feel better, but more precisely feel better about Dalton.  
Palmer bashing runs rampant here and people grasp at mythical ideas in an effort to reconcile our current circumstances. It seems to stems from the fact that Palmer told son of Paul to kiss his ass. Many fans can't separate that he was not speaking to them, but rather  to the true cause of our angst...son of Paul. 

Not playing for son of Paul and being the QB for our beloved Bengals are NOT mutually exclusive. He could not do one without the other. There is no reasonable football mind who would claim  Andy has any physical skills that make him a better talent than Palmer. Those trying to make a case use intangibles like, "he is a winner", "he a leader", "he is smarter"  or "he has more class" as unprovable reasons to claim why they are better off with Andy as their QB. When a disjointed event occurs, such as wearing a wristband can be spun to give credence to one of the bullshit statements made by some it is seized  upon and spewed like fact. 

Son of Paul will ruin Andy's career. He will most likely go down as "not clutch","can't win a playoff game", or some other BS. Palmer was,and is currently a better QB option than Dalton even at 37...Palmer could not do it here under this owner, neither has Dalton...and I for one do not believe that Brady or any other QB would either. 

With a lack of accountability an organization will never reach it goals. That is true in real life and football too. 

To address the OP's statement...Andy is good, just not really good. 
He can be that without Palmer needing to being a bum, crybaby, quitter, classless, stupid, inadequate etc. See those two things are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. It feels a lot better to support all the Bengal's QB's (past and present) than to be forced into a one or the other camp. The only person who wins in that circumstances is son of Paul...he then is able to avoid his accountability because by the sheer nature of the argument,  fans assign sole accountability to one of these two QB's. 

You raise some points I agree with, but you're also arguing against a lot of stuff that I never said. I've never claimed that Palmer was a quitter. I don't hate the guy at all. Just don't see much difference in the 2 as quality NFL starters. Obviously Palmer had the better arm, but you act as if that's the only aspect of a QB that matters.

Do you think Palmer is a better QB than Brees or Brady? Because Palmer smokes both in the "physical skills" category. I'm not saying Dalton is on the level of those two mentally, I'm just showing how silly it is to judge a QB by physical skills (arm) only. 

What I've gathered from your post is that you seem to think Palmer's game lacks holes (I'm probably wrong about that, but that's how it comes off). Here's the negatives from Palmers scouting report heading into the 2003 draft:

http://www.scout.com/nfl/story/64115-scouting-report-carson-palmer

"The Bad: Senses pressure and works to avoid the rush but has great difficulty.  Terrible sense of timing; late releasing the outs, not always on the same page as his receivers and pass catchers are usually adjusting or contorting backwards to make the grab.  Makes questionable decisions and does not give you the sense he's making the correct reads or is in complete control of the offense."

This pretty much is lock step with what I've been saying. Dalton has a mastery of the offense that Palmer has seemingly lacked through his career. Don't spin this as me thinking Palmer is a bad QB, or that Dalton is better. Dalton has his own flaws. Actually I think CP was/is a very good QB. Sometimes bordered on elite in the proper circumstances, which he hasn't had much through his career.

I feel the exact same way about Dalton. Over their careers, they've produced similar numbers. In this current era, it's been nearly identical. Since 2012 (I exclude 2011 because Dalton was a rookie, and Palmer had a rough transition in Oakland), Palmer has a 90.1 passer rating. Dalton is at 90.4. Both have been very efficient and led winning teams.

I agree with everything you say about Mikey ruining Palmer's career and probably ruining Dalton's. Just disagree on how close the 2 were/are as NFL QBs (not on which one can throw a prettier 60 yard pass). Fwiw, even though Palmer has a superior arm, that arm has proven to be a double edged sword. Just as Dalton's lack of a cannon gets him in trouble at times, Palmer has been far too confident at times, leading to many of his INTs. Well that, and the miscommunication problems with WRs that have followed him to every stop.

I still feel Palmer was easily good enough to lead a team to numerous playoff wins though. Maybe even a championship. Just not with the flawed coaching and management he had in Cincy.