12-29-2016, 05:58 PM
(12-29-2016, 05:21 PM)fredtoast Wrote: We had the Steelers beat. We did not win, but no way you can say that we were "not competative" when it took a miracle for the Steelers to pull pout the victory.
I specifically said 'start to finish', which you seem to have ignored. By my calculations, being down 15-0 in after 3 quarters - with an offense that had been putrid to that point, is not being competitive for 4 quarters. The Steelers victory was the result of a complete meltdown by the Bengals. You can call it a miracle, I call it par for the course when it comes to the postseason performances under Marvin. How can it be a miracle if it's not at all surprising?
Quote:I am as hungry as any other fan for a postseason victory, but In also canb see a little perspective.
Since Marvin started his 0-7 playoff streak there are 4 teams in the NFL that have never even made the playoffs. There are 4 others who have never won a playoff game, and 5 more who have only won one. Less than half of the league (14 teams) have been to the playoffs more than the Bengals.
Let me offer a little more perspective. No coach in the entire history has of the NFL ever lost 7 straight playoff games. No coach in the the entire history of the NFL has ever had 5 consecutive one and done's.
Against the 5 most consistently franchises during Marvin's tenure (Pats, Steeler, Ravens, Colts, Broncos)...he is a combined 29-52, including playoff games. Those 5 teams have represented the SB in all 13 years previous to this one, and most likely one of them will again this year. Marvin has proven that he can't hang with the best.
Against the AFC as a whole during his 14 years, he is 83-84. If you take away his 20-8 record against the hapless Browns, he's just 63-76 against the other 14 teams in the AFC.
Quote:And even thought the Jags have won a playoff game since '05 they also only have two winning seasons and have not won more than 5 games in the last 7 years. So would you really trade just one playoff win since '05 for 10 non-winning seasons?
It is possible for me to not be satisfied with no playoff wins, but also see that we are not an embarrassment or a joke. And I certainly do not think the bengals have achieved all of this without even wanting to win. That is just ridiculous.
I've never claimed they're an embarrassment in the regular season, with the exception of prime time games and the Steelers at PBS. I've given Marvin plenty of credit in terms of where he's taken the franchise and for being a good regular season coach for the most part. However, they have been an complete embarrassment in the postseason, when it matters the most. As I said before, at some point, the end result has to outweigh everything else...especially when you have 7 different examples with the same conclusion.
