Goebbels strikes again

[Shake n Blake]

(02-12-2017, 02:50 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: 1.) So, you think Marv should have been fired in the midst of the 5 consecutive playoff appearances streak.  I was on board with replacing him with Zimmer as well, but I could also see why you wouldn't get rid of Marv.  Only the Bengal team that played the Chargers was remotely the team that they had during the season.  That game was devastating to me.  The defense was pathetic.  Gio fumbles going at the 5 yard line.  Dalton fumbled on a scramble where he dove face-first and wasn't touched...it was awful all the way around.  I wouldn't call Marv comfortable, and the Bengals had a "succession plan" in place with Hue (who I really wanted) and Cleveland swiped him from us.  


2.) I am not a fan of PA, and this is going to sound a bit like Fred, but the guy has had his good years as well.  In 2009, despite Palmer sucking ass, his line helped ignite a running game that we hadn't seen since Rudi Johnson.  I have no idea why they stuck with Ced last year, and it clearly killed them, but I don't put that 100% on PA.  I don't know who made those decisions, but it wasn't the owner.

3.) The Bengals, like the steelers, have a bubbled practice facility at a nearby college that is available to them.  

4.) Where are you getting this about refusing to guarantee money in contracts?  This owner stands behind the contracts more than any other in the NFL.  At least he honors them and doesn't cut players that are overpaid when they underperform. 

5.) The accountability discussion is a broad subject.  Is it Adam Jones, who should be let go?  Is it Marv, for not winning a playoff game?  I get this discussion and there are parts of it that really bother me...like Adam Jones.  But having a succession plan in place for Marv with Hue, I thought was perfect.  You want to honor the guy that helped transform your franchise but you want the new regime to begin to take over.  Cleveland just overwhelmed Hue, and he jumped at that chances.  I will always wonder what could have been, because I really wanted Hue and was hoping somehow Marv would still be a part of it all to get a ring.  

6.) I don't know if I would call it making excuses, but he isn't going to make knee-jerk reactions in to critical decisions.  As a matter of fact, I have never heard the man make an excuse.  He is one of the least visible owners in terms of media appearances and I am just fine with that.  The coach speaks for his team.  The owner is the one who hired him, built the staff around him, and helps decide how to build a team.  We may be frustrated with the lack of a championship, but they have a talented roster that they have assembled and this upcoming draft will be a critical strategy for this team.  

I think they have the right personnel people in place to fill some holes, and create better depth at key areas to keep this team in the mix for years to come.  

People can hate Brown all they want, and you can hate me for defending him, but I see a bright future for the Bengals and this year could be a huge step in the direction of a Championship squad. 

1. Marv should've been fired after the Chargers loss. That was my take, and I'd say the majority was in the same boat with me. Including media. You have to consider his entire track record when making decisions. At the time, Marv was 0-5 in the playoffs. The prime time record was (and still is) abysmal. This offsets the overall regular season success, which isn't exactly all that in the first place. Then, after all this history of choking in big moments, he lays the biggest choke job of all. Taking a team that was 8-0 at home and losing in thoroughly convincing fashion to a team they'd beaten on the road just a few weeks prior. Fwiw, I would've also fired him after the complete lack of discipline in the 2015 playoff game, and last year's debacle. Marv has earned a pink slip 5 times now, IMO. 2008, 2010, 2013, 2015 and 2016.

2. Even in 2009, the Bengals ranked worse than 20th in yards per carry, and that was with an extra tackle, which hurt our versatility on offense. Which in turn probably didn't help Palmer's cause. The run game has ranked 20th or worse in YPC in every season since 2006...outside of a fluke season (2014). Alexander has been the one constant during that span. Pass blocking has been slightly above average by numbers, with the exception of 2012 and 2016. That said, Bodine and Ogbuehi were hand picked by PA and have been disasters. I know in my heart that a different team would've most certainly fired Paul for 2016 alone. It was that damn bad.

3. We went through this on the old boards, but the Steelers facility is nothing like the arrangement with UC. The Steelers have their own field, cafeteria, weight room and even a team library within the facility. They aren't sharing anything other than the roof. The Bengals have to get clearance each time and have no access to an NFL weight room or facilities while there. That's partly why they rarely use it.

4. I get it from years of paying attention. Look at the contracts of any Bengals player that has been resigned. The guaranteed money is low compared to their peers. For example, Andy Dalton's guaranteed money is laughably low compared to his peers. The Bengals do make up for it by being overly loyal, but that in itself hurts the team.

5. Everyone should be accountable. Unfortunately when the owner is the GM and a terrible one at that, the lack of accountability has already started at the top. Marv said himself that he wouldn't have kept himself around if he were the owner. He was half joking (I think), but it was still a sad statement. But yeah...accountability isn't complicated. If the results aren't there, you find out why and address the issue. This season it was mainly the o-line. As you can see, Paul is still here and Mike defends him. No accountability.

6. No disrespect, but it blows my mind that you think firing Marv or Paul would qualify as knee jerk. Marv has set records for playoff futility that wouldn't be possible without extreme patience and longevity. 15 years in one spot with 0 playoff wins puts Marv in a class all by himself. Alexander has been around since Dave Klinger for Pete's sake. How many years do you need to see before you think there's enough evidence to make a move? Does Marv need to be 0-15 in the playoffs? Maybe 4 losing seasons in a row? Maybe waste the primes of 2 exceptional core groups of players? You have amazing patience...Which I guess is why you side with Mike Brown. Personally, I'd like to see a playoff run before I'm in a nursing home.
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I don't "hate" you for your point of view, but I don't understand your optimism given the wealth of history that would indicate that optimism is unwarranted. Marv and co can't even sniff a playoff win, let alone a championship. I wish a single draft could fix that, but we haven't had many impact players lately and I don't think those impact players would still be impact in a playoff game. Look at the playoff performance of Geno, Green, Dalton, Gio, Dunlap, etc for proof.