Trade a Bust for a Bust?

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(02-25-2017, 08:42 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: So a key requirement to being labeled a bust to you is if a player performed well below their draft order/expectation. The thing is Dennard hasn't had a chance to perform yet and Kirk didn't get his shot until late for the same reasons as Dennard but when he did he proved he had football ability. Your definition of a bust is illogical because you toss it on players who haven't even had a chance to perform.

You essentially want to call young players busts because the Bengals FO drafted them to a stacked team at CB, because Marvin is loyal to veterans and hesitant to start young players and they get injured. None of that has anything to do with their potential football skill.

Funny how Aaron Rodgers was one year away from being a bust by your standards.

Dennard has played 585 defensive snaps. Lets not pretend that he's never touched the field in his career so far.

Cool story about Aaron Rodgers. Show me the Brett Favre that Dennard is stuck behind and I will be glad to agree with you. But until you can point out the first ballot Hall of Famer he's stuck behind, I will point out to you that Dennard got passed up by Josh Shaw on the depth chart. A guy who is both younger, drafted later, and had less experience than Dennard coming into '16.

If they draft me in the first round and don't get a ton of playing time, and get passed up on the depth chart by younger guys, maybe I am just not any good. Just throwing out a thought there. You say he can't be judged because he has gotten no playing time. I say he hasn't gotten an abundance of playing time because he isn't very good. Shaw got a small taste of playing time in '15 and impressed. Dennard didn't.

(02-25-2017, 08:45 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: If Dennard becomes a shutdown Corner you cannot call him a bust.

It is a big IF but still...


On this one injury has been the big problem and players in front of him. Sure, there were times (maybe a couple)
in 14' when i wanted Dennard or Shaw to start ahead of Kirkpatrick but in the end it might of been the right decision.

Dre played good last year and i bet we bring him back. Dennard and Shaw most of all could be real good.

Garrett and then bringing in Benwikere were good moves too IMHO.

Not like these guys always make piss poor moves. The Secondary could be good. Coyle has been a good coach for
us before. Not ready to give up on this coach. There are a lot of positives on this team. They aren't bad.

Just need to make the right moves to prevent us from being so.

You can end up being a good player in the end and still be a bust. Reggie Nelson was a bust for the Jags, got traded for David Jones (who was going to be cut anyway), and ended up becoming a great player with the Bengals. Doesn't make him any less of a bust for the Jags who used a 1st round pick on him.

Kirkpatrick was indeed pretty good last year, but you don't spend the 17th overall pick on a CB who doesn't become decent until year 5. Those players are called busts. People get too wrapped up with equating bust to a player being garbage. A mediocre starting QB chosen 1st overall is a bust. A mediocre starting QB chosen in the 4th round is a great pick. It's all about context.