04-07-2017, 12:31 PM
(04-07-2017, 12:27 PM)ochocincos Wrote: He's currently a bit too big for his height (6'3", 286 lbs) if he's going to be a 4-3 DE, even as a base DE.
The DEs for the Bengals that are 280+ lbs are all 6'5"+, so they have more length than Allen. Wallace Gilberry is about the same height as Allen and Thomas, but Gilberry is 270 lbs. Solomon Thomas (who I have 2nd on big board behind Garrett) is near ideal measurements and athleticism for a 4-3 base DE that swings inside, as he's 6'3", 273 lbs.
This is further reflected in Allen's athleticism and strength, as he's shown worse compared to Thomas.
Allen:
5.00 40, 21 reps bench, 30.0" vert, 108.0" broad, 7.49 3-cone, 4.50 SS
Thomas:
4.69 40, 30 reps bench, 35.0" vert, 126" broad, 6.95 3-cone, 4.28 SS
I would hope that if Allen could shed about 10-15 lbs, he could be much quicker and get closer to Thomas's measurables.
Not worried about the size compared to what we normally do, based on Guenthers recent comments we are just looking for players not the specific measurable at this point. Allen has better production than Thomas against better teams, I['ll take the tape over the measurable. This isn't saying Thomas is bad, but he has gotten a lot of hype late but I am not sure it is all warranted so I have cooled on him a bit. Allen will be able to rush from inside, or out, with success at the next level. Is 275 a better size? Maybe, but he can be successful as stated.
Edit:
Allen has a good comp in Michael Bennett.
Height 6'4 Weight 274
5.13 SEC 40
24 REPS bench
31.0 INCH vert
110.0 INCH broad
Bennett a little taller and a little lighter, but it's not crazy to think we could take a little weight off Allen.
