NFL.com John Ross Article

[Jpoore]

(04-20-2017, 09:37 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Feel the exact same way. We are on the same page unlike Jpoore who is obviously biased for Mike Williams.

I say what i like about Mike Williams and don't say... Mike Williams is just a big receiver who goes up for the ball well..

Which would not tell the whole story about Mike Williams who would be a good pick IMO.

John Ross is not just speed, he is a good route runner, has good hands and has an insane pass/TD rate. INSANE.

He is not just the go route, this is unfair when speaking of John Ross.

Would absolutely love it if we traded back and got JR and another pick, probably would love it more than any other 1st round scenario.

But like you said, wouldn't be mad with Ross at 9. Or Mike Williams for that matter.

I may be a littlw hard on ross i admit. But i have to be because a lot of people (not you, u can actually understand reason) are acting like he will just blow by people. It takes him about 30 yards or so to hit that elite speed. At the 20 yard split hes got the same time as 2 players who ran a 4.41 and 4.50 respectively(humphrey and cook). Yes hes a good route runner, and if he were avaliable around 22 or so, i would take him gladly. But to act like hes just gonna run right by everyone is asanine. Everyone on here seems to think hell just run by everyone. He wont. And the main cincern is the microfracture surgery. 70 percent of microfracture surgery needs another within 10 years. Thats my concern more than anything. And you are right i do have a bias of mike williams, but only bc i think hell help our offense more than ross. U think the opposite. I respect that.

(04-20-2017, 10:03 PM)TGISunday Wrote: I think that's, at best, a simplistic view. At worst, lazy.
See this scouting profile:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/04/03/john-ross-nfl-draft-scouting-report

After watching some film, it's clear he has a forte. But he's really adept at several short-to-intermediate routes. Very shifty. Compare this to Dede Westbrook who is 9 routes all day, and nary anything else.

Take it for what it's worth; but apparently Tobin was out with his agent at some engagement, and a friend of my buddy's Sat with him and he readily gave some good info: Solomon Thomas is #1 on their board, they love Fournette, don't like Cook, love allen, and rate Ross above Williams. Edit: OH, they see Barnett as a poor athlete, better taken in the twenties.

If the above reads like total b.s., I can't hold it against you. All I know is my buddy showed me the stream of texts from his mate after the conference. Again, grain of salt.

Yeah but as mentioned above, hes not gonna have that 4.22 speed until the 30 yard mark. Is he elite enough of a cb to get seperation against man press on short and intermediate routes? I dont believe so. Its why i believe williams would be better on our offense.