05-19-2017, 12:21 PM
(05-19-2017, 11:21 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Sour grapes they didn't re-sign him? The bolded is also contradictory statement BTW. Players answer those playoff questions because the media and us fans are so gung-ho over it (right and wrongfully so). It doesn't mean what-so-ever that the players have this mentality. If they did, it would absolutely blow my mind that professional athletes would think this way. It's a very long stretch, and he since he said it after being let go by us, I don't know how you can not see this as sour grapes.
As I said in my next reply, I don't question the players (or coaches) motive to win a SB at all. I question the approach in those playoff games. Two totally different things. One is a lack of desire, and the other is a lacking in a philosophical sense. You can adjust/change the latter...but you it's almost impossible to change a quitters attitude into that of a winner.
And lastly, please stop acting like we're attacking this guy's character. We're debating something he said about his former team.
- No way is he crying sour grapes the Bengals didn't resign him. What J-Joe said is sour grapes. Complaining about petty things like amenities, Gatorade levels, soap, etc? THAT'S sour grapes.
- No, that's not contradictory at all. Maybe if you view the world in black and white. But that's not reality. This group of Bengals can have the desire and overall goal of winning a Superbowl, but they also haven't won even a single playoff game - despite 5 attempts. So to be focused on learning how to win at that level and to get over the hump, so to speak, is still in line and not contradictory to their overall goal of a championship. For the core players in the locker room to just spout off about goals of winning a Superbowl without having won even one playoff game would be like bragging about how you're going to win a NASCAR Cup as a driver one day after failing getting your drivers license 5 straight times. Only a wannabe dumbass would spout off goals like that without managing to complete even one step towards the goal while having failed that much when attempting.
- Peko wasn't cut or let go in any embarrassing fashion. He was an unrestricted free agent and he chose to sign for more money in Denver. He's never ever been negative towards anything Bengals. There's no evidence of him having ill feelings. He got paid a bunch of money from another team. He's not upset.
- I too think that the approach is different in the playoffs or big games. I don't think the team quits at all. I just think that their general (HC) clinches his butt a little tight, so to speak. he plays not to lose instead of playing to win. The players are extensions of that.
- Insinuating that Domata Peko is bad mouthing the Bengals and crying sour grapes, and talkign out of school IS insulting his character. To give a public interview where he purposefully casts his former employer and teammates in a negative light would, indeed, be of poor character.
Contrasting examples: What J-Joe said publicly, true or not, WAS sour grapes and of poor character. There is no comparison in any way. Not in substance nor in tone between what Jonathan Joseph said and what Domata Peko said.
And, look, we can agree to disagree. There's no harm in that.
