07-03-2017, 01:28 PM
(07-01-2017, 02:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 1. Why do folks act like it's an insult to agree that Andy falls in the lower teens range.
2. Your "reasons" any is better than the one's listed sorta jump around:
3. Andy has a career passer rating of 89.1, Carson has a passer rating of 89.5 during that same timeframe. While CP9 has went over 4,000 4 times and Andy has done it 2 times. Not sure how that equals to 90% of his career
4. Since getting out of the blackhole of the Rams Sam has done very well at QB, to include better than Andy last year with zero running game and no receivers of note
5. Jameis' 1st 2 years were much better than Andy's (dude has never thrown for less that 4,000) and the arrow is pointing straight up. I have no doubt you would take Andy over Jamis, just don't be surprised that your line is much shorter and much more Orange and Black than the line that would take Jameis
6. Not sure what measurable you are using to put Andy above Mariota; as Mariota has a career passer rating of well over 90. I see you pointed to Mariota's running game. Why no mention of his receiving corp?
7. Not "unbelievable" to me at all that folks are not buying Dak stock; however, is it unbelievable to you that some folks are buying it after he came of the best Rookie season in NFL history? Hell we won't even bring into focus his first palyoff game versus Andy's.
Point is ranking Andy 18th (the article even says they expect Andy to bounce back) is not an insult and can easily be justified.
1. Because putting the QB with the 10th best active passer rating at 18th seems a bit much.
2. No they don't.
3. Dalton has had a better passer rating in 4 of the last 6 years. That includes Dalton's rookie season, where Palmer beat him by 0.1 points. So maybe I should've said Dalton has been better 66.7% of the time?
4. Who is "jumping around" again? Even if you just include Bradford's 2 years away from the Rams, he has thrown fewer TDs and more INT's than Dalton in the same amount of games. Dalton had a better rating by a whopping 19.8 points in 2015 and Bradford was better by 7.5 points last year. Even with better talent, Bradford has a losing record as starter (14-15) and hasn't even appeared in a playoff game. So if Dalton has been better over the last 2 years, better for their careers, has more accolades and achievements, and has made the playoffs...why are you picking Bradford?
5. "Much better"? Really? The only big difference I see is bulk yardage. Everything else is similar with Dalton slightly winning some categories and Winston slightly winning others. Dalton had an 83.9 rating while Winston has an 85.2. Adjusting for the fact that passing numbers seem to gradually increase every year, I'd say there's little to no difference there. BTW...this list is about right now, not who you would want 5 years from now, or who was better early in their careeer. You're jumping around more than House of Pain.
6. Over the same time frame, Dalton has a better passer rating, 1 more total TDs, 4 fewer INTs, 5 fewer fumbles, and 1202 more passing yards. As for receivers, you can do worse than Rishard Matthews, Kendall Wright and Delanie Walker. Just ask Dalton after last year.
7. Depends on how much stock you're buying. It was a fine rookie season (best ever is highly debatable), but he also probably had the easiest scenario for a rookie QB that I've seen since Kaepernick. He had established veteran stars at WR and TE, the league's leading rusher and the best line in the business. We've seen what Dalton is capable of with even 2/3rd's of that. Btw, where is Kaepernick now (a guy I'm sure you and others swore was better than Dalton early on).
(07-01-2017, 03:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: FWIW, These are the QBs I'd rather go into 2018 with than Andy:
Tom Brady
Andy Luck
Marcus Mariota
Ben Rothliesberger
Philip Rivers
Alex Smith
David Carr
Dak Prescot
Kirk Cousins
Matt Ryan
Jameis Winston
Drew Brees
Cam Newton
Matt Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Russell Wilson
So I guess I have Andy rated around 17th. As I mentioned before he's not the problem on this team (at least in Regular season), but I'm not going to put him anywhere around 11th best in the NFL.
Ok. So basically you put every decent QB in the league ahead of Dalton.
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