07-04-2017, 11:24 AM
(07-03-2017, 04:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 1. Of course I jumped around; it was a mirror of your reply and to show that an argument can be made. You and others can roll with it being disrespectful. 2. Put Right Now in bold all you want and I'd still take Mariota and Winston over Andy right now. If you and others here think that's unfair, drunk, ect....that's on you. I'd be willing to wager you guys would have to call a few more folks unfair or drunk
3. As to my list: I did not put every decent QB in the league ahead of him. Hell I left off 2 QBs that have won a SB, I left off Tannehill who is younger and coming off a better year. I left off CP9 because I don't like him. I didn't put any rookies on there; although I am eager to see what Tribisky can do in Chicago.
4. You and others think top 10ish is right, I think late teens in right. All we can doo is look what those that get paid to rate such things place folks for validation of our views.
5. I'm getting a hoot out of those that are saying we "must wait" to give the young QBs any credit. How quick were those very folks comparing Andy to Peyton and Brady?
6. As to the top 10 active passer rating. That sounds great. That ties him with Matt Schaub.
1. Ok. If you say so Mr. Bfine.
2. If that's your opinion, I respect that. The part I don't respect is where you've been suggesting that only a homer would take Andy over some of the guys you listed. It's quite easy (as I've shown you) to make an argument for Andy against any of them. He stacks up quite well and has had a fine career. Perhaps saying he belongs in the top 10 is a bit optimistic, but saying he ranks 18th is definitely about as bad as you can possibly rank him without people brushing your opinion off as utterly ridiculous.
3. I would've put Eli on your list over Mariota or Winston. IMO, Tannehill did not have a better season than Dalton although it looks debatable either way. CP9 wasn't better than Dalton so whether you like him or not should be irrelevant. Trubisky isn't even viewed as a good prospect...it was a weak QB class.
4. I'm sure you've always deferred to these same "experts" when it's been time to rank coaches? Somehow I doubt that.
5. I've never made that Peyton (or Brady) comparison. You'll have to take that up with guys like Philhos. So you can't use that argument against me.
6. Matt Schaub was a fantastic QB for most of his career. Dalton's career rating is also better than:
Andrew Luck
Derek Carr
Carson Palmer
Matt Stafford
Cam Newton
Ryan Tannehill
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Alex Smith
Sam Bradford
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