07-04-2017, 05:16 PM
(07-04-2017, 04:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 4. Only been defending Marvin from the experts on here that blame him for everything. So you disagree with the coach's ranking and feel Marvin should be ahead of Adam Gase and Dan Quinn; fair enough. I think they have shown enough promise to currently get the nod over Marvin.
6. How could AJ be dead last with 68.3 while Andy boasts a 57.8. True there have been 4 QBs that have played under Marvin any idea who the worst is? Let's look at the games and see if we can find a reason:
Pitt 05: Carson was getting ready to blow up Pittsburgh anyone who questions that is either fooling themselves or being disingenuous. Kitna comes in cold and throws as many playoff TDs as Andy has in his Career,
NYJ 09: Game was on a field that was a sheet of ice
11-14: 3 games played indoors and one game played in perfect outdoor conditions. QB combines for a passer rating of 57.8
Pitt 15: Played in the rain and Starting his 3rd ever NFL game AJ McCarron has a passer rating that is 10 points higher than the combined playoff rating of the Bengal QB that had started the previous 4'
Of course if one wanted to go with the "It's the coach" slant then one would expect both Palmer and Kitna to do better in their playoff games under different coaches. Do you need me to share those numbers with you
4. If I were ranking coaches, I'd probably put Gase and Quinn in an "up and comers" tier. They look great now, but like Chip Kelly, there could be a serious decline after the initial success. Sometimes coaches (and QBs/players) aren't able to sustain that success. I'm not concerned with what you think about posters on this board. I'm more interested in why you value the opinion of experts with regards to Dalton, but the same experts have not swayed your opinion on Marvin through the years.
6. What I'm saying is this: If you replace Dalton on that list with any of the other QB's that played a playoff game for Marvin (Palmer, Kitna, McCarron), any of them would rank dead last, behind Andrew Luck.
Pitt 15: Ben had a 92.0 rating against a much tougher defense...on the road, in the same conditions. That rating was 23.7 points better than McCarron's. Not sure the rain had much to do with it. Any way you try to slice it or excuse it, a 68.3 passer rating is bad. If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe an "expert"?
Quote:It's worth noting that McCarron is a former fifth-round pick that has thrown all of 119 NFL passes since being drafted in 2014. He acquitted himself fairly well in three starts at the end of the 2015 season when Andy Dalton went down with a broken thumb on his throwing hand, but McCarron struggled badly during the Bengals' first-round playoff loss to the Steelers.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bengals-reportedly-want-at-least-a-first-round-pick-for-backup-aj-mccarron/
Not sure how much Palmer and Kitna's other games prove. Kitna played 1 other playoff game in his first year as starter. You seem to excuse McCarron's performance due to age/experience and if you apply the same standards to Kitna, that game shouldn't count. Palmer has 2 games since he left. One was pretty good, the other was awful. So at least Arian's was able to get something out of him. It's more than Marvin can say after 4 QBs and 7 starts. And that's only touching on the QB's. There's been plenty of team-wide failure.
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