ESPN DOWN GRADES BENGALS DUE TO HEAD COACH

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(07-13-2017, 07:59 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: This own has never blamed Dalton's lack of success in the postseason on Mike Brown.  Has Marv had some lame game plans?  Sure, but I don't even put it on him.  I have always said that their losses have been a function of many variables from poor play to injuries.

Carson is the only player in the modern NFL era that I can think of that got over tens of millions of dollars from a team, and walked out on them during a contract.  So, this is his stance against the poor owner and coach?  Quit?  "Here, son, sit on dad's lap and let me tell you about the time I quit".  I'm sure that would make any kid proud of their dad.
Palmer had a better line and better weapons than Dalton.  He did not have as good a defense.  Should Dalton pout and quit because the Bengals have drafted more talent on the defensive side of the ball instead of drafting great offensive linemen and weapons for him?  Good thing Dalton is more of a team guy that makes no excuses. 

 Dalton is more of the Kurt Warner school.  Kurt Warner took two of the worst franchises in NFL history to Super Bowls and won one of them.  He didn't complain about their poor GMs or coaches, he simply worked his ass off and made the team better.  That is a man.  Not a quitter.  

Carson Palmer made a business decision which prolonged his career and got him closer to the SB than Mike Brown has been (not a huge accomplishment, granted).  You are putting way too much of your own feelings into this, but to each his own.  It's quite telling that Dalton has the chance to be the first franchise QB Mike Brown has ever had that doesn't end up demanding a trade.

Some folks say being a man is honoring your contracts.  Some might say being a man involves standing up for what you believe is right.  Marvin and Carson both wanted out after 2010 and Mike Brown wouldn't listen to either of them.  Carson gave up on Mike and moved on and Marvin gave up on Mike and stayed to coast out his career.  The fact that we are sitting here 6 seasons removed from 2010 and still complaining about Marvin Lewis speaks volumes, as well.  So, maybe Dalton is the kind of man who can play for a crap owner and HC his entire career, but that doesn't make him an automatic saint in my book.  
Again, to each his own.

(07-13-2017, 10:12 AM)Wyche Wrote: I get your sentiment.....but it wasn't so much quitting as it was "I would rather retire than play another down for this team".  Read what Megatron had to say about his early retirement in Detroit.  He pretty much said the same thing, and retired.  From what I gather, it's also what led Barry Sanders to call it quits early.  

Yep.  Two organizations that are leading the NFL in playoff win droughts have players losing faith in owners that are simply there to make money.  The owner has a right to do that if he/she wants and players have a right to "quit" on a losing mentality if they want, too.  Of course, we each have the right to see the people involved as we like.