08-09-2017, 05:58 PM
(08-09-2017, 05:39 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: this is too funny.. all teams have talent.. few teams win without talent especially a good QB .. look at San Francisco, Bears etc.. I could go on and on.. you are just picking and choosing looking at the Bengals in a bias way...
Compare what Marvin has done as a coach as a whole... so i guess if he had drafted terrible ie not drafted Dalton or Green or Geno or Dunlap or Johnson etc... and not been able to turn this team around that would mean the same for a mediocre coach.. your logic just does not make sense and lack real credible facts.. it is filled with opinion..
Coaches are judged as a whole by looking at hard core stats/facts such as wins/losses, division championships, getting to the post season, winning in post season, changing a losing team to a winning team or the opposite,
Marvin is in the positive way more than the negative in these hard factual stats...
A fair debate is where should he fall as a coach.. average to about average coach or a playoff run away from very good coach.. that is a reasonable debate.. but what you are debating is not... im done...
So Palmer wasn't a good QB? lol. So, what was Marvin's excuse for only having 2 winning seasons in the Palmer era?
Marvin has taken this team from one of the worst in the league to one that can't win in the playoffs. Any mediocre coach can do that if they had the time Marvin has had. A good coach would have at least have a playoff win. How does that not make sense or lack "credible facts"?
Marvin Lewis has a sub .500 record without Dalton. Lewis has only won 4 division championships in 14 years. Lewis been out coached 7 times in the playoffs. Lewis changed a losing team into a team that other teams LOVE to play in the playoffs, because they consider it a free win.
Just because Lewis raised the bar from horrible to mediocre doesn't make him a good coach. It makes him by definition a mediocre coach.