09-05-2017, 01:01 PM
(09-04-2017, 06:07 PM)Beaker Wrote: Once again...our rosters have been talented enough to make the playoffs. Bad coaching, bad luck and injuries have kept us from advancing. Not many other teams made the playoffs 5 consecutive years. That fact alone means the model isn't as bad as you claim.
First off, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that the Bengals model was really bad. There are ups and downs to it. Nately described it perfectly. I just believe their ultra-conservative (i.e. cheap) approach to free agency and constant 10-15 spare million under the cap is a hindrance. Once again, name the championship teams that follow the Bengals model. I guess the Packers do to an extent, although many think they've underachieved with a generational talent at QB. How about the Patriots? Seahawks? Broncos? How do they compare?
(09-04-2017, 08:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Still doesn't explain how they have more compensatory picks that us during the Marvin era.
Perhaps it's a good model and some around here just want to hate everything about the F.O.
It's common sense, really. The Patriots are a very successful team that everyone in the league wants to emulate. Their scraps often become prized free agents...leading to more compensatory picks. You would see it if you wanted to. Your propensity to defend the team prevents that.
(09-04-2017, 11:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: They've produced plenty good results; especially in the last 5-6 years. I think it has more to do with the fact that some fans feel they deserve more. Me; I'm happy with what I get.
In short: I'm happy with less, and think everyone else should be as well.
(09-05-2017, 12:16 AM)Hammerstripes Wrote: In all fairness, it's not the Bengals' model. The Bengals are using the same model that a lot of teams use: draft well, sign your own, don't shell out big money in FA.
The big difference is that the Bengals have always refused to bring in a big name/impact type guy to put them over the hump. They avoid the big ticket in FA.
That being said, the Packers and Steelers have been successful using with this approach, but an argument can be made that Green Bay should have been to more Super Bowls then they have with Rodgers.
Yeah calling it the Bengals model is a bit much. They didn't invent being conservative. The Steelers and Packers are good examples. Really, they're the only examples. The problem is that the Packers had a HOF QB when they overcame this approach. The Steelers had a HOF QB, a historically great defense and some HOF coaches (Cowher and Lebeau). We don't have any of that.
The Bengals don't just avoid the big-ticket FA...they also avoid the medium-ticket FA. Can you imagine the Bengals signing a Joe Haden for 3 years/$27 million? That would be a massive signing by their standards. Mike Mitchell was signed to a 5 year, $25 million contract in 2014. Even the Steelers make a ripple occasionally...and they somehow pull it off with less cap space than we have.
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