Dalton's weapons

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(09-27-2017, 07:45 PM)Stonyhands Wrote: Sorry but this post is dumb and just plain old illogical, no offense seriously.  But you basically just listed a bunch of guys that have never played for any other QB but Andy.  Do you really think that if Andy was a top tier QB these guys would all be considered elite talent?  Granted guys like Green are rare and have shown that if you throw the ball inside the field of play he has as good of shot as anyone to catch it...Dalton just hasn’t figured that out completely.  

If we were known to bring in our skill position players via free agency we could compare what they’ve done elsewhere but in Cincinnati that happens very rarely.  But looking at our WRs and recent drafts we’ve been adding talent from 1-3 rounds of the draft.  

If you look across the league you can tell the good QBs elevate their WRs play and the great QBs can make any set of WRs look elite.  Andy doesn’t do either and as far as talent goes Andy has some talented guys at Wr that we were all excited about when their names were called in the draft yet they cant really seem to get involved here...why is that?  

Again, no disrespect but you can’t point to Dalton’s weapons as being the issue when he’s the one throwing them the ball.  All we know is that the guys we have now were very productive at the collegiate level and are now seeing 1-2 balls thrown their way at most come Sunday.  It’s difficult that spread the ball around and utilize all your talent when you are a one read QB who’s already thinking checkdown or throwaway 1 second after each snap.

Dalton has been provided 1 elite weapon (Green) and 1 that was borderline elite when healthy (Eifert). Other than that, he hasn't been surrounded by the kind of talent that Bengals fans claim he has.

I can point to Dalton's weapons because they're not nearly as good as people claim they are. Jerome Simpson had the best year of his career with Andy Dalton (50/725/4). He had a productive year in Minnesota in '13 (48/726/1), but his most targets, catches, touchdowns, and longest catch all came with Dalton. LaFell put up the second best stats of his career with Dalton last year (best year was with Brady). Gresham's best year was with Dalton. To try and spin it that Dalton is holding these guys back is laughable at best.

The real issue is the Bengals having the smallest scouting department in the NFL. That is limiting the ability to find talent in the draft. Also, every player the Bengals draft or sign, Hobson puts out a story on how they're already Canton bound. You can argue that people don't read his articles, but that's just a total lie. There are plenty of Bengals fans who read and believe every article he writes.

People need to appreciate the QB we have. No, he's not elite. He's above average and has elevated the play of his weapons. The only weapon that has elevated Dalton is Green.

The 2 things Bengals fans seem to not comprehend are that 1) every weapon given Dalton is not the greatest ever and 2) the front office hasn't made a real effort to surround him with the championship caliber weapons that fans believe he has. If this front office used free agency instead of worrying about comp picks and made the efforts that 31 other teams do to give their QBs as much as possible, we'd have probably won a playoff game now (even in spite of the owner/GM, head coach, and OLine coach).

Using this elite QB argument isn't valid either. Every team tries to get the best talent they can for their QBs. That's why they have huge scouting departments that aren't family and why they sign players in free agency.