Good Andy/Bad Andy

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(10-05-2017, 03:08 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I can't blame Andy Dalton for prime-time and playoff wins/losses due to the lengthy history of failure in such situations under Marvin Lewis. It hasn't mattered who the QB is. Marvin is 0-3 in the playoffs with other QB's, and his prime-time reputation preceded Dalton.

It's simply not fair to pin all of that on one player. Not when there's a list of others who haven't performed in the same situations. Palmer got better elsewhere, and because of that, I can't help but feel Dalton would as well. And I disagree that the good Andy/bad Andy talk comes strictly from that. People have specifically stated that Dalton has more bad games and worse games than other QBs.

Here's an example, and the reason I made this thread:

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Tale-of-Two-Andy-s?page=2

Shake,

I appreciate the thread. I will go back and crunch these numbers as well as I am struggling to understand your %s and how they add up to over 100%.

Also, I totally disagree with how you weight the QB position in general. It's by far the most important position in all of sports. There's no close 2nd place to that. You are weighing Andy's impact on the game the same as everyone else when it's 10x that.

I also disagree with you laying everything at the feet of the HC and giving Andy Dalton a pass. Marvin doesn't make Andy have back, to back, to back, turnovers against the Chargers in the playoffs with the Bengals leading. Marvin doesn't miss wide open WRs. Marvin doesn't throw INTs. Marvin doesn't throw and INT on the Steelers 4 yard line and then go break Andy's thumb while he's trying to make a tackle. Marvin Lewis doesn't miss seeing wide open WRs on the field or call a play for Andy to stare down AJ or throw it away. That's all on AD.

I lay about 80% of the Bengals current 1-3 record squarely on Andy Dalton. 20% better play from him and they are 4-0. He influences the game more than any other player and he was disgustingly bad the first two games and not very good when it mattered against Green Bay. 2 FG attempts in the 2nd half and no TDs is not good at all.

I think Marvin has his short comings and that AD can be a great QB. But he has to find consistency for the Bengals to be really really good. And, frankly, he has to not suck as hard as he does when he is having an off game. In general, the team around him has been supremely talented and he hasn't done much with it.