Good Andy/Bad Andy

[Shake n Blake]

(10-05-2017, 09:29 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: No doubt, a little help from others every once in a while would be nice...but i can't let go of the 2nd half of the Chargers game and place the blame anywhere but him for how badly he played. Had a very nice 1st half, crapped the bed the 2nd half. And it would certainly help his cause if he hits that one pass to AJ, in Houston, with 3 minutes left in the game that would have given the Bengals a lead. As much as it can be pointed out how well he plays, overall, in the regular season, you also can't ignore how most of his Sun/Mon night games and all of his playoff games have been poop. I just don't get how he can't have a couple really good prime time games in wins against a good team and at least one good complete playoff game. I get "because Marv" and i agree he's milquetoast poo, but sometimes...hell, once or twice, you have to be able to overcome that and ball out over the course of 6 seasons. 


I was meaning that it should only be specifically because of that. 

Yeah Andy has mostly looked like ass in the playoffs. Including some of those moments you mention. But if I blame Andy for his own performance, then I can't let any player off the hook.

Jon Kitna throwing a pair of INTs in the 2nd half
Chad Johnson being invisible in 2 playoff games.
Housh only catching 4 of his 11 targets for 25 yards.
Chris Perry catching 6 passes for a whopping 11 yards.
Carson going 18 of 36 for 146 yards (4.06 YPA) and a 58.3 rating
Shayne Graham missing 2 FGs.
Benson going for 12 yards on 8 touches with a drive-killing drop (vs Texans)
AJ Green mostly disappearing.
Atkins and Dunlap disappearing in 3 out of 4 games.
Gio with 2 key fumbles (although the Shazier one wasn't his fault - dirty hit)
Hill with an epic fumble.
Burfict and Pacman losing composure.
Sanu catching only 3 of 7 targets for 31 yards when we desperately needed him (all WRs out).
McCarron with 2 turnovers, 3 drive killing fumbles and a 68.3 rating
Defense getting killed by guys like Sanchez, Yates, Dan Herron, Fitzgerald Toissaint, Jordan Todman and Shonn Greene.

Also Palmer had a 75 rating in PT as a Bengal. Worse than Dalton. Somehow he's improved massively in that category since leaving.

So when I look at all of this, it's impossible for me to just single out Dalton. We have a choking culture. Or maybe we just don't put our players in the best positions to succeed. Either way, Dalton is just part of a long line of players that for whatever reason choked under Marvin. There's a mountain of evidence that people want to shove to the side - only for Dalton for some reason.

For me it's all or nothing. You either think Marv is the problem for everyone or no one. You can't blame him for everything BUT Dalton's performance.