When does the honeymoon with Tobin end?

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(10-23-2017, 04:57 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: It's why Watt became so much more effective in the NFL. Played 4-3 DE at Wisconsin almost exclusively. But then in the NFL they moved him around and he flourished. Maximizing talent. Bengals put Hunt and Hardison in positions to fail because it's what THEY wanted a player to do, not what was best for the player. 
Justin Smith looked like a HOFer in San Fran but was always just "good" here. Why? They kept him on the edge almost exclusively and didn't move him around. They didn't start that until Zimmer was here. It's silly when you think about it. 

Coaches should have some say, but the amount of say they have here is absurd. Scouts are scouts and coaches are coaches for a reason. Two completely different skill sets. Paul Alexander is a shitty scout. He shouldn't be asked to scout. Hire scouts. But Mike is cheap. 


We draft a lot of "favorites" if you've noticed. We "win" a lot of drafts on paper but never on the field. 
Because we seemingly rely a lot on narratives and things like that instead of intensive scouting. 

Results based scouting vs evaluation scouting. 

Do you look at the results and say "good enough" or do you dive into the how and the why. 

I completely agree. These coaches are given additional responsibilities because of how the organization is structured. That's very taxing, and they lose out on a large chunk of time to evaluate talent (right now) because they have to prepare for NFL games. They simply don't have the time to dedicate to scouting until after the NFL season is over. By that point, actual games are over and there are only workouts and hopefully finding good enough tape to get a good assessment.

The philosophy of "Best Player Available" only goes so far. The Patriots understand that and it's why they get so much contribution from late draft picks and castoffs from other teams. They draft/acquire players that they know fit their system, not trying to put a square peg in a round hole. You think the Bengals would be able to get good production out of a James White, Dion Lewis, or Chris Hogan? I sure don't.