Remember how Marv coached defense in Baltimore?

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(11-09-2017, 12:13 PM)PDub80 Wrote: MARVIN'S MYTH


Marvin Lewis started with the Baltimore Ravens as a Defensive Coordinator in 1996. Here are the Baltimore Ravens defensive rankings in points allowed under Marvin and then the DC’s following him so that we can see if the coaching changes mattered (SPOILER ALERT #1: They didn’t). They changed from a 4-3 scheme to a 3-4 and I will note that so we can see the change and if there was any effect (SPOILER ALERT #2: There isn’t). I will also add in significant player notes so we can see when his roster was elevated with not just good or great players, but also all-timers and Hall of Famers and then see if there were any changes to show Marvin’s “coaching ability” getting better (SPOILER ALERT #3: There were).

- Please note, we can get into all sorts of defensive rankings of other stats like yards, passing, against the run, etc. if you wish, but for this post I’m just going to show this 1 key stat and if people don’t get the point or need this spoon fed to them to the N'th degree, I’ll do so. I’m hoping that we’re all smart enough to see what’s important here.
Below is the Ravens DC/year: Points against ranking of their defense (player notes)

MARVIN/1996: 28/30 (Ray Lewis ROOKIE)

MARVIN/1997: 18/30 (ADDED Siragusa, Jamie Sharper, Michael McCrary, Boulware ROOKIE, Ray Lewis 2nd year – Pro Bowl)

MARVIN/1998: 16/30 (ADDED Rod Woodson, Duane Starks, Boulware 2nd year – Pro Bowl, Lewis – Pro Bowl, McCrary – Pro Bowl)

MARVIN/1999: 6/31 (ADDED: Chris McAlister)

MARVIN/2000: 1/31 (ADDED: Sam Adams, Adalius Thomas)

MARVIN/2001: 4/31 (No NOTABLE ADDITIONS, Thomas 2nd year, Kelly Gregg)


2002 BIG CHANGES…. MARVIN LEAVES FOR THE REDSKINS. RAVENS PROMOTE MIKE NOLAN TO DC. MIKE NOLAN SWITCHES AWAY FROM MARVIN’S DEFENSE FROM A 4-3 TO A 3-4. THERE ARE LITTLE TO NO CHANGES IN THE RAVENS PERFORMANCE ON D...


PLEASE NOTE: Mike Nolan was the Ravens WR coach at the time and had NOTHING to do with Marvin or this BS “Marvin coaching tree” theory. So, don’t go there. Previous to being the Ravens WR coach for 1 season, Nolan was the DC for the Giants, Redskins, and NY Jets. Again, NOTHING to do with Marvin or any sort of tutelage from him.

MIKE NOLAN (promoted from WRs coach)/2002: 19/32 (LOST: RAY LEWIS TO INJURY: PLAYED 5 Games, ADDED: Ed Reed – ROOKIE, Bart Scott - ROOKIE)

For Funsies- MARVIN (REDSKINS DC)/2002: 21/32 (Previous season the Redskins were ranked 13/31 SO, MARVIN REALLY BROUGHT THE THUNDER HERE AND MADE A DIFFERENECE… Psssshhhh)

MIKE NOLAN/2003: 6/32 (ADDED: Ray Lewis full 16 game season)

MIKE NOLAN/2004: 6/32 (ADDED: Terrell Suggs – Pro Bowl, Deon Sanders who played 9 games with 2 starts)

2005 BIG CHANGES. REX RYAN PROMOTED TO DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR. RAVENS SWITCH TO A 4-3. Rex Ryan was the D-line coach under Marvin for 3 seasons AND the D-line coach under Mike Nolan for 3 seasons. NOT enough evidence to show an influence from Marvin OR Mike Nolan to point one way or the other.

REX RYAN/2005: 10/32 (No notable additions)

REX RYAN/2006: 1/32 (ADDED: Dewan Landry, Samari Rolle, Haloti Ngata – Rookie)

REX RYAN switched back to a 3-4/2007: 22/32 (ADDED Nothing Notable)

REX RYAN/2008: 2/32 (ADDED: Fabian Washington)

2009: Changed DC to Greg Mattison: NOTHING TO DO WITH MARVIN. NEVER WORKED WITH HIM IN HIS CAREER

GREG MATTISON/2009: 3/32 (ADDED: Domonique Foxworth, Chris Carr)

GREG MATTISON/2010: 3/32 (ADDED: Cory Redding, LOST Ed Reed for 6 games)

2011: Changed DC to Chuck Pagano: NOTHING TO DO WITH MARVIN. NEVER WORKED WITH HIM.

CHUCK PAGANO/2011: 3/32 (ADDED: Nothing of note)

No reason to keep going at this point, right? I think we’re, what, 4 coaches removed from Marvin and the Ravens have switched schemes and stayed incredibly good on defense. I have shown that there was little to no connection from Marvin to them doing so. I showed where Marvin had received a MASSIVE influx of talent in both young players and veterans still in their prime when he achieved his peak defensive notable achievements. Marvin had several hall of famers and long time NFL greats as well as the guys after him. But, just for fun….

DEEN PEES/2013, 14, 15, 16: 12/32 (Ray Lewis LOST for 10 games), 6/32, 24/32, 9/32

So, please… Tell me again how Marvin Lewis was some incredible defensive coach. He’s a non-factor and beneficiary of UNBELIEVABLE talent. Talent who continued to get better and dominate for long periods of time, through multiple coaches and schemes well after he had left. Meanwhile, the team he went to, the Redskins significantly REGRESSED on defense under Marvin, and the Cincinnati Bengals defense stunk until Mike Zimmer came along (again… NOTHING to do with the Marvin coaching tree). To say that Marvin coached a certain way, blah, blah, blah is just conjecture that means nothing. The results are what they are regardless of how we think/imagine/dream/play make believe Marvin influenced games 20+ years ago. He didn't. He doesn't.

Moral of the story, kids... Do your homework before coming to a conclusion and making a thread. I swear, man. It's like some of you have no idea how to actually use the internet to do research and come out with an informed conclusion.

TY for the research, just a major thing missing. You don't list the players he lost each year. I guess we should ask you to to complete your homework since missing all players who left teh Ravens each year. I give you an incomplete versus a fail since you did do the work to support your criticism of those who questioned you.