I Miss Marvin Jones.

[Shake n Blake]

(11-25-2017, 02:05 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 1. Sure he has the 21st highest, but keep in mind you have people like Amari Cooper and Beckham Jr who are #1s but haven't been paid yet. Or Adam Theinlein who signed a relatively cheap extension after his breakout season, but not before this monster season where he became a #1. Granted there are also some #2s being paid more than Jones, likely due to being overpaid.. like Allen Hurns ($10m/yr) or the sheer stupidity of the Tavon Austin deal ($10.5m/yr) when he's not even really a good #3.

2. I will give you the DJax/Evans duo of #1s. That said I think Crabtree/Wallace/Maclin fall into the Decker/Tate/Jones category of good #2. They couldn't carry a team's WR corp as it's focal point.

Not sure why you even mentioned Will Fuller as the guy's played a season and a half, and still hasn't reached 1k career yards and is now on pace for 27 catches this season. I'm not sure I see that at all yet.


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3. I guess the topic really comes down to your definition of what being a #1 WR entails. I view it as "if this player was the #1 focal point of the passing attack, could they carry the load alone?"

There's probably like 16-ish of them. (I admittedly didn't count or list them to myself.)

Just like how I don't think there are 32 "starting" QBs in the league at any given time. Sure there's 32 who start games, but they're not actual starters.

1. Well if you want to play that game, then keep in mind that Jones signed his deal last year, and contracts will only get better as time goes by. Regardless, 21st is 21st. Jones is getting paid #1 money right now...albeit not superstar #1 money.

2. I will give me all of them. 

Maclin has led his teams in catches 5 times, yards 3 times and TD's 6 times. Considering that he's shared the field with DJax and Wallace for most of his career, that's impressive. Not every WR produces like AJ Green though. Same deal with Crabtree. Led his team in catches 5 times, yards 3 times and TDs 4 times. Wallace led his team in catches twice, yards 5 times and TDs 6 times. 

Now compare that to Marvin Jones, who I consider to be a rock solid #2. Jones has never led his team in catches or yards...and that's including 2 years playing opposite Golden Tate, who I consider to be the Lions' true #1.

I look at Crabs, Maclin and Wallace more as low-end 1's. They've proven capable of being the top dog in a team's WR corp. Again, not at a Julio Jones/AJ Green level, but with 32 teams out there, many teams have a Pierre Garcon, DJax, Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin type of #1.

I included Will Fuller because he's a 1st round pick that has flashed serious potential. In 4 games with a non-division 3 level QB, all he did was go for 279 yards and 7 TDs. Sure, small sample size...but I'm surely not the only one that thinks Fuller has a bright future once Watson gets back.

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3. Fair enough. I look at it a little differently. I think there's more talented WR's in the NFL than there are QB's. The top 10 WR's in the NFL are all game breakers. Superstar types. After that, there's a glut of WR's capable of "carrying the load" but aren't going to put up a 180 yard explosion very often. I think there's far more than 16 guys capable of carrying the load. It's closer to 32, because like I said - some teams have multiples.

If Amari Cooper, Maclin or Doug Baldwin was my team's top WR, I wouldn't feel bad at all. In fact, I might prefer that over an AJ Green or Julio Jones that gets QB money to play WR.