12-01-2017, 11:29 PM
(12-01-2017, 12:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 1) I didn't "rattle off" anything, I simply listed QBs that had a minimum of 50 rushing attempts. As you can see Andy was by far the most hurtful to his team's YPC. A point was proven; however, I'm just not sure it was one you were attempting to make. But I'll give you credit for bringing other QB's rushing statics into the equation. It was helpful; thanks.
2) I'll take this as you saying yes in long form. So we agree.
3). It should be equally as easy to list years that Andy has had anoutstanding(hell, let's roll with above average) season without great receivers, a good line, and a consistent Running Game. As that would disprove the "narrative" more than any list I could provide of other QBs. But if I were inclined to provide such a list; it would be easy as you suggest. I'd just start with Kirk Cousins from this year that is currently 2nd in passing yards and 5th in passer rating with none of the 3 requirements
1) I guess I can see why you selected 50 rushing attempts as your cut off point. That way, you don't have to list these guys:
Matt Ryan: 37 carries, 63 yards (1.7 YPC)
Tom Brady: 34 carries, 53 yards (1.6 YPC)
Sam Bradford: 26 carries, 39 yards (1.5 YPC)
Kirk Cousins: 26 carries, 48 yards (1.8 YPC)
Carson Palmer: 25 carries, 24 yards (1.0 YPC)
Drew Brees: 24 carries, 14 yards (0.6 YPC)
Nick Foles: 17 carries, 20 yards (1.2 YPC)
Phillip Rivers: 17 carries, 28 yards (1.6 YPC)
Matt Hasselbeck: 16 carries, 15 yards (0.9 YPC)
Despite having fewer carries than Dalton, the YPC is lower, which means they dragged their teams YPC down just as much. So, to be fair, maybe we should remove all QB rushing numbers. Either that, or we can stop being silly and just look at team YPC, knowing that most QB's have a marginal affect on the YPC number. Including Andy that year.
2) No. We don't agree. You think a run game that ranked 13th in yards (7th in attempts) and 23rd in YPC qualifies as "good" (see post #23). I think those numbers are average at best. Especially considering the number of attempts. We ran a lot, but we were middle of the pack in yards and bottom 3rd in YPC.
3) It is easy. 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016 and 2017. Dalton ranked at least 15th in passer rating in each of those years, and didn't have a good run game in any of them. I know you said "consistent", but honestly what does that even mean? Either the run game was good or it wasn't. The numbers say it wasn't in any of these years.
I would only say the receivers were "great" in 2013 and 2015. I think most would agree with me. As for the line, they gave up 40+ sacks in 3 of the 5 years I listed (including this year - they're on pace to allow 41).
Your Cousins example is interesting. First off, he's not having an MVP caliber season. Heck, most of his stats aren't all that much better than Dalton's right now. Sure he's got Andy in yards. The Skins chuck it around a lot under Gruden, especially since they're losing. Dalton has a 92.5 rating with 18 TDs and 8 INTs. Cousins has a 99.6 rating with 21 TDs and 8 INTs.
Fwiw, Cousins just played on Thurday, so that helps his yardage ranking a bit. Not that yardage is an end-all stat.
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