WHERE DID MARVIN GO WRONG?

[Shake n Blake]

(01-05-2018, 09:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Good point.  Perhaps the only explanation that I can think of is that being HC of the Bengals requires much more time devoted to managerial duties than HCs of other teams?  He is in a unique sort of position, on a very unique franchise (by most modern standards).

But, even at that, I would think that he would have time to speak with coaches during meetings.  You know, delegate what he wants to see done with the respective units.  That is a very interesting question that you bring up.

Right. He's been working with Mike for 15 years now, so I'm sure he's had a pretty good routine down for much of his tenure. I'm sure there's a bit more on his plate in the off-season than a typical coach (not as much as some think, IMO), but once the season's going and the bullets are flying, I'm sure it's no different than any other HC gig. So it's hard for me to use that as an excuse for the PT/Pitt/playoff failures. 

Now if you want to bring up the lack of practice facility, lack of real free agents and being tethered to Paul Alexander...Those are possibly valid excuses for Marvin. Although I still feel he does something that causes this team to wither in the big games.

(01-05-2018, 10:16 PM)McC Wrote: First and foremost, Marvin has only been as good or as bad as his coordinators.  He had two great years, '05, '15, both brought down by injuries.

There's only been one season where Marvin has been aces on both sides of the ball.  In '05, the defense was not really that great but they did have the amazing turnover season.  Then Carson and Co. would make teams pay.  But the defense was not a SB defense.

The '15 team was his best all around, I would say.  But they still didn't run the ball like '05.

Marvin, in all these years, has never really been able to assemble the team he really wants.  He wants the 2000 Ravens.

And that brings me to what I believe is his downfall.  It's a thing he shares with his boss--arrogant, misguided stubbornness, wrongly believing you are the smartest guy in the room.

That 2013 team was great, too. 8-0 at home. I agree about his ego. You just get the sense that he's had his hands in the offense and defense, and he's been more stubborn (on some things) than an 0-7 playoff coach should be.