Hobson back with his first propaganda piece

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(01-18-2018, 02:40 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Why are you being so hateful?

One of the most common complaints about Marvin is that he causes the Bengals to lose games when he plays too conservative with a lead in the second half.  I assume you have heard this claim.

All I am saying is that this is just a myth.  In orderto prove that it is just a myth I have repeatedly asked people to give me an example of when this happened.  And they never can.  So if you want to rage at someone for making a claim with nothing to back it up you should be yelling at everyone that makes this claim instead of at me.

But here is the really bad news for you.  You claim that when sitting on a lead Marvin is being too conservative unless he has Dalton throw the ball over 10 yards downfield 7 times in the second half, and there is not a single QB in the league who throws the ball that far that often even if you include the first half and times when they are behind.  Roethlisberger is the only one that comes close.  He averaged 13.4 pass attempts over ten yards downfield per game.  Only a very few average more than ten per game.  Rivers averaged 12.1.  Brady 11.9. Wilson 11.6. Stafford 10.0.  I did not check every QB in the league but the splits are available on ESPN.com if you want to dispute this claim.

Basically the standard you use to accuse Lewis of being too conservative makes every head coach in the league too conservative.




Next.

You have only provided stats for other teams. I'm asking specifically when it comes to the bengals in the second half of games how many throws over 10 yards do they make. One game against the steelers isn't enough data to make any assertion about whether we are conservative or not. 

If for example the bengals throw it on average 2 times over 10 yards in second half of games then it means yes we are too conservative. 

When you find the amount of times the bengals throw it over 10 yards in the second half and compare it to the league average I might start to be convinced. Then further the argument by giving the average amount of times we run the ball in the second half and compare that to the league average.

Merely stating that because we threw it 18 times in the second against steelers when we had the lead is insufficient to make any assertion at all.

I'm not going to look up that data because I never used the argument that 18 throws against the steelers proves we arent conservative. You made that assertion so its up to you to prove it with a much more thorough analysis 

The problem is that you made a weak argument using grotesquely insufficient data and then gave the mocking smiley face as if you had just convincingly won the argument with definitive and indisputable evidence.

If you had made that statement and said look I found this stat that the Bengals threw it 18 times in the second half of the game against the steelers. I know it is insufficient data based off of one game and I also know I didn't provide much detail as to how deep those 18 passes were but it might seem to indicate that the bengals are not as conservative as you think they are in the second half of games. If this is how you qualified your assertion you would not have been met with as much derision by me. But that is not the approach you took.