01-18-2018, 09:47 AM
(01-18-2018, 05:15 AM)wolverine515151 Wrote: You have only provided stats for other teams. I'm asking specifically when it comes to the bengals in the second half of games how many throws over 10 yards do they make. One game against the steelers isn't enough data to make any assertion about whether we are conservative or not.
If for example the bengals throw it on average 2 times over 10 yards in second half of games then it means yes we are too conservative.
When you find the amount of times the bengals throw it over 10 yards in the second half and compare it to the league average I might start to be convinced. Then further the argument by giving the average amount of times we run the ball in the second half and compare that to the league average.
Merely stating that because we threw it 18 times in the second against steelers when we had the lead is insufficient to make any assertion at all.
I'm not going to look up that data because I never used the argument that 18 throws against the steelers proves we arent conservative. You made that assertion so its up to you to prove it with a much more thorough analysis
The problem is that you made a weak argument using grotesquely insufficient data and then gave the mocking smiley face as if you had just convincingly won the argument with definitive and indisputable evidence.
If you had made that statement and said look I found this stat that the Bengals threw it 18 times in the second half of the game against the steelers. I know it is insufficient data based off of one game and I also know I didn't provide much detail as to how deep those 18 passes were but it might seem to indicate that the bengals are not as conservative as you think they are in the second half of games. If this is how you qualified your assertion you would not have been met with as much derision by me. But that is not the approach you took.
Gee I wonder what happened to the posts where I predicted Wolverine would move the goal posts when I proved him wrong and the post where he claimed he did not even know what it meant top move the goalposts?
His is still preserved in my post above where I quoted it, but I am not going to accuse him of deleting it because my post has disappeared also.
Anyway here is where we are. I have shown that Wolverines standard for "aggressive play calling" is so high that no team in the league would meet it. I feel that I have done enough to prove his argument is invalid. So I am not going to jump through anymore hoops. At this point his position is that Marvin is too conservative in the second half with a lead unless he is more aggressive than every other coach in the league, and that sound absurd to me.
In fact his claim that the percentage of running plays called does not prove how conservative a team is runs counter to the accepted standard. Whenever anyone talks about Marvin being too conservative their claim is always that he "runs the ball to much". Announcers and analysts always refer to percentage of runs when talking about how conservative a team is. Footballoutsiders even tracks a specific stat that shows how often a team runs the ball with the lead in the second half of games. My analysis is in line with all of this. His claim that this analysis is "grotesquely insufficient" is contrary to what all the posters here and football experts on TV think.
The only statement that has been made with no facts to back it up is "Marvin has lost games because he was too conservat5ive with a lead in the second half."
