02-28-2018, 05:48 PM
(02-28-2018, 05:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Still not seeing tbhat much difference.
If this is the point you are trying to make then list exactly how many Steelers draft picks start opening day. Then coma[pre it to the Bengals.
Green, Dalton, Boling, Zeitler, and Bodine all started immediately.
Eifert was not listed as a starter, but as I already pointed out he played more snaps than a lot of the guys you claimed were drafted to be "immediate starters" for the Steelers.
Boyd played more snaps as a rookie than Schuster-Smith.
Bernards rookie numbers (613 snaps, 1209 yards) are almost identical to Bell (677 snaps, 1259 yards) and of course Jeremy Hill had more yards than either of them his rookie season.
So I don't really see the Steelers getting that many more "immediate starters" than the Bengals. What I do see is 4 Bengal first round picks that were slowed by injury their rookie seasons (Kirkpatrick, Dennard, Jackson, and Ross) and people extrapolating from those 4 picks to try and define our entire draft strategy.
The Steelers are getting a higher ratio of more immediate starters in early rounds. See the last 5 year comparison of 1st and 2nd round picks in the original post. Then others from other years prior to more than offset the few you mentioned from prior years.
The Bengals are drafting a higher ratio of pipeline players that learn behind current starters.
The year Kirkpatrick was drafted we had Leon Hall, Terrance Newman, Adam Jones and Nate Clements on the roster. Similar situations for Dennard and Jackson III with starters in front of them. No need to "extrapolate" here, Fred.
Cedric and Fisher drafted nearly two years ahead of Whitworth and Andre departures.
Palmer had to quit the team to open the door for Dalton.
Never said the Bengals don't ever get so called immediate starters, just that they actually PLAN more often than the Steelers do for drafted players to learn for a longer period of time behind a current starter.
Don't try to change the goal posts here either Fred. Go back to the original post. Never said anything about opening day starters. Just that they get them up to speed to start sooner by design because they are usually better than who they are competing with to start.
Bengals tend to retain our experienced starters for the rookie players rookie season and that rookie can't beat them out quickly and the Bengals do it by DESIGN.
Think in terms of Ratios and tendencies. The General Concept.
Not tit for tat minutiae that still weighs out in my favor.
