02-28-2018, 08:10 PM
(02-28-2018, 07:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: To me it does not matter if you call Smith-Schuster a "starter" and Boyd a "back up". Those labels are meaningless when Boyd played more snaps than Smith-Shuster.
doesn't matter that you call Bell a "starter" and bernard a "role player" when they both played almost the exact same number of snaps and produced almost exactly the same number of yrads their rookie seasons.
Same with Dupree, Tuitt, and Jones. Doesn't matter if they start a couple of games at the end of the year. This year Lawson played almost 100 more snaps than Tuitt did his rookie season (477 to 397) yet you try to give the Steelers credit for making Tuitt an "immediate starter".
Instead of just picking labels that fit your argument you have to look at how much these players were actually on the field.
I can admit that in my haste to get to the over-arching point, I may have "fit the argument" with a few of the players that I mentioned.
Never said, however, that Tuitt was an immediate starter. Did say that he appeared in all 16 regular season games, starting 4 of them.
I can accept your Boyd/Schuster argument as being my haste to "fit the argument" with these two players being more balanced than inferred.
The "immediate starter" line is your line, not mine. Your attempt at a spin.
My focus was the Bengals tending to have starters in place with longer term horizons for the rookies to eventually take over the jobs than the Steelers do in "general". Not in every case but more often by DESIGN. ...cough Maurkice Pouncey
You IGNORE Cedric and Fisher sitting for two years behind Whit and Andre. You also IGNORE Dennard, Jackson III and Dre (which you added to the conversation) drafted to learn behind veteran corners. Contrast that with Artie Burns being fast tracked.
Again, the ratios support my argument while I can concede some of the minutiae I may have hastily "fit the argument" with.
Whit, Andre, veteran corners, Hill, Gresham etc remaining on the team during early draft pick rookie seasons as evidence of a player pipeline approach being used more often by the Bengals.
Cedric playing guard and Fisher catching passes while Whit and Andre start.
There is a general difference in Philosophy being displayed by each team when it comes to early round draft picks, planning for current starter departures and fast tracking a higher ratio of early draft picks into starting roles with less of a safety net under them in terms of a better retained current starter ahead of them that player's rookie season.
A higher ratio of one or the other being displayed by each team with each team still having their own examples of the other team's higher ratio philosophy.
It doesn't all go in the Steeler's favor as you suggest that I imply. The William Jackson III pipeline pick is looking Great.
In your haste to argue and nit pick you miss the potential benefits of having the Bengals at least Tweak their approach as opportunities for faster track starter upgrades present themselves. This is my point.
I am getting plenty of Rep points as we argue from people that can Grasp the concept that you refuse to acknowledge.
It is this Concept that is worth exploring to me and I do it without any need or desire to Bash the Bengals.
To me, the Bengals current higher ratio pipeline replacement approach is almost working but may be getting over-used, needing a Tweak in the Steelers higher ratio starter fast tracking direction.
Your over-sensitivity to what you deem Bengal bashing is tiring and forces potential higher level thinking down into the gutter with tit for tat.
