AD better deep ball than u think

[Shake n Blake]

(04-11-2018, 02:16 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Again, this is paltering.

1. You're showing one statistic (passer rating on deep throws over 31 yards) and sitting on it as if it paints an entire picture. That's flat out wrong. It's a conclusion presented with wildly incomplete data.

2. Most QBs have high passer ratings on deep throws like that.

3. Why don't you look at completion % on those throws? Why don't you look at throws missed out of bounds? Why don't you review film of these throws to actually analyze the play itself? Etc. Etc.

^ One of the links I posted did that and so so much more. And they rated Dalton poorly and below avg to last in the NFL in some of these statistics every year.

Before you say film doesn't matter and that the result is the result, let me warn you to be cautious there in this debate. Because if nothing else matters than the result you cannot sit on a poor O Line causing any issues. If the result is the result for the QB when it's good than it has to be the same when he's bad.

As far as the 20-30 yard throws, your data there is poor and incomplete as well. I'll fix that tomorrow.

I'm all for being wrong. But you can't post incomplete and vietually inconsquential data without comparison or context... while ignoring other evidence... and then think people will eat it up. That's paltering.

1. Again...you were just fine with the stats initially. You just took issue with me using the 21-30 yard range. You thought this was a strength of Dalton's and it skewed the numbers with "mid-range" throws. This is when you first used accused me of "paltering".

I then took out the 21-30 yard category. You saw that Dalton's numbers improved. Somehow it's still "paltering".

2. No, most QB's do not have a high rating on 31+ yard throws. You're making this up. Tom Brady has a 67.0 rating on these throws since 2011. I showed you that. Ben has an 87.0 rating. Both are well behind Dalton's 101.7. 

3. I did show the completion percentages. Here they are again (since 2011) and I'll even throw in a few more QB's:

Aaron Rodgers- 39.5%
Andy Dalton- 34.8%
Pig Ben: 27.2%
Flacco: 25.7%
Newton: 24.9%
Brady: 22.5%

Now passer ratings:

Rodgers: 112.7
Dalton: 101.7
Newton: 95.2
Pig Ben: 87.0
Flacco: 86.0
Brady: 67.0

Complete stats:

Dalton: 55-158-2599-20-8 (101.7) 34.8%

Brady: 32-142-1542-9-9 (67.0) 22.5%
Ben: 58-213-2793-25-16 (87.0) 27.2%
Cam: 47-189-2012-21-6 (95.2) 24.9%
Rodgers: 47-119-2242-23-4 (112.7) 39.5%
Flacco: 49-191-2242-17-9 (86.0) 25.7%

4. Again...the link you provided only analyzed one year (2014). Yet you think this is more comprehensive than analyzing a career's worth of stats and comparing it against other QB's? Also - again - that link graded Dalton 16th in throws of 31-40 yards and 5th in throws of 40+ yards. Did you post some other link later in the thread that I missed? 

Because the links in post #10 include a link that is useless for deep ball discussion, and the other is for one year and doesn't grade Dalton poorly on anything other than 21-30 yarders, which you said you don't count as true deep throws. 

This is the link you posted that I'm talking about, and the only one I saw from you that analyzes everything (in 2014):

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2

What are you seeing in that link that shows Dalton is poor on 31+ yard throws?