AD better deep ball than u think

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(04-11-2018, 08:27 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote:

1. Again...you were just fine with the stats initially. You just took issue with me using the 21-30 yard range. You thought this was a strength of Dalton's and it skewed the numbers with "mid-range" throws. This is when you first used accused me of "paltering".

I then took out the 21-30 yard category. You saw that Dalton's numbers improved. Somehow it's still "paltering".

2. No, most QB's do not have a high rating on 31+ yard throws. You're making this up. Tom Brady has a 67.0 rating on these throws since 2011. I showed you that. Ben has an 87.0 rating. Both are well behind Dalton's 101.7. 

3. I did show the completion percentages. Here they are again (since 2011) and I'll even throw in a few more QB's:

Aaron Rodgers- 39.5%
Andy Dalton- 34.8%
Pig Ben: 27.2%
Flacco: 25.7%
Newton: 24.9%
Brady: 22.5%

Now passer ratings:

Rodgers: 112.7
Dalton: 101.7
Newton: 95.2
Pig Ben: 87.0
Flacco: 86.0
Brady: 67.0

Complete stats:

Dalton: 55-158-2599-20-8 (101.7) 34.8%

Brady: 32-142-1542-9-9 (67.0) 22.5%
Ben: 58-213-2793-25-16 (87.0) 27.2%
Cam: 47-189-2012-21-6 (95.2) 24.9%
Rodgers: 47-119-2242-23-4 (112.7) 39.5%
Flacco: 49-191-2242-17-9 (86.0) 25.7%

4. Again...the link you provided only analyzed one year (2014). Yet you think this is more comprehensive than analyzing a career's worth of stats and comparing it against other QB's? Also - again - that link graded Dalton 16th in throws of 31-40 yards and 5th in throws of 40+ yards. Did you post some other link later in the thread that I missed? 

Because the links in post #10 include a link that is useless for deep ball discussion, and the other is for one year and doesn't grade Dalton poorly on anything other than 21-30 yarders, which you said you don't count as true deep throws. 

This is the link you posted that I'm talking about, and the only one I saw from you that analyzes everything (in 2014):

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2

What are you seeing in that link that shows Dalton is poor on 31+ yard throws?

I've not taken issue with anything other than you using passer rating without expanding further.

I don't get why you keep touting these stats when I sent links to multiple years debunking what you're putting forth. I will expand it further and type it out later today as you seem unwilling to click the links and read the articles.

I didn't just link PFF, BTW. I also didn't link only one season. Yet, all you bring up is PFF and one season of links. I enjoy debating with you and other Bengals fans. It's fun. But, it's challenging to further debate when you don't read what I link. I understand being defensive of a player you love. I'll type and lay out some of these stats in a manner that's more succinct so people don't have to go through an entire article.