05-22-2018, 03:24 PM
(05-22-2018, 02:50 PM)depthchart Wrote: Mike Brown is also the GM.
You want to dance around the issue which was your proclamation that Mike was in effect the "worst owner" in the NFL during each and every one of Marvin's 15 seasons here.
If as you say the credit for Draft picks goes to the Coaches then Mike would also get credit for being willing to listen to the Coaches, especially since he is the GM.
Trying to limit Mike's role to just trades and Free Agency as a way to define him as the "worst owner" during all 15 seasons avoids other criteria that must be used when ranking owners on a season by season basis. Jowczarski has confirmed in Posts that while Mike does not spend a lot on Free Agents, he does spend to retain players and during many of Marvin's 15 seasons, Mike as Owner has spent more on player salaries than many other NFL owners did during many Marvin seasons.
Do you still claim that in each of the last 15 Marvin seasons, Mike should be ranked 32nd & "worst owner" in each and every one of those 15 Marvin seasons given the entire sphere of influence NFL Owners have ?
He couldn't outperform any other owner even once in 15 Marvin seasons ?
If you do, then you are carrying way too much water in your vigorous defense of Marvin's reputation.
Be Fair.
Mike has not been a constant weight around Marvin's neck 15 straight times. Instead, there have been seasons where Marvin has had more to work with than many other NFL Coaches had. Seasons where Mike rose up the Owner ranking Board for that specific season way above a 32nd ranking. Even if he may have mainly did it by listening to advice & being willing to spend to retain players versus using Free Agency.
The Marvin as victim game needs to stop or at least be limited to specific seasons when his owner may have actually hamstrung him.
Not all 15 seasons. No way...
Hilarious how EVERYONE agrees that Mike's free agency policy is so bad for the team until someone suggest it might have effected Marvin's ability to win.
The ONLY way Marvin could get decent players was to develop draft picks or turn around players that had not produced under other coaches. If you want to claim Mike was a good GM just for re-signing his own players then tell me which GMs were worse.
Allso there is this....
Mike Brown with Marvin Lewis as head coach..... .527 winning %, playoffs 7 of 15 years, 5 losing seasons in 15 years.
Mike Brown with all other head coaches............. .286 winning %, playoffs 0 of 12 years, 11 losing season in 12 years.
