Tier 3 QB

[Shake n Blake]

(08-14-2018, 09:55 PM)PikesPeakUC Wrote: What's left to win over? Dalton pretty much is what he is at this point. I don't think he'll ever be a top tier guy. The ones who are believers will believe, the ones who don't, won't. No one at this point is going to suddenly find religion when it comes to Dalton one way or the other.

His best yardage situation he finished with 18 TD's and 8 INT's. 

His best efficiency year he finished with 25 TD's and 7 INT's. 

I think we kind of all know what Dalton is. He's an average to above average QB. He's never going to be a top level guy, and that's perfectly fine. The offensive line has been bad recently, and besides Green, he hasn't had a ton of talent at WR. There's a number of factors working against him, but if you're asking me if we've seen the best of Dalton, I would unfortunately have to say yes. 

I think there's a small group of QB's who can win with average to below average talent surrounding them. I just don't think Dalton is one of those guys, and it probably ends up being one of those unanswerable questions that we sit around and wonder about down the road. If he doesn't get hurt, what happens to the 2015 Bengals and how does it change Dalton's perception? 

His best yardage season, he finished with 33 TD's and 20 INT's
His best efficiency year, he was on pace for 33 TD's and 9 INT's (he missed essentially 4 games, so pointing out the TD total is misleading)

So his ceiling is 4k yards with 30+ TDs and a rating over 100? I'd say that's pretty good. Not saying he's elite, but he's capable of having an MVP caliber season if the team is good.

You seem to be walking it back from "good QB's can elevate a bad team to a championship" to "good QB's can 'win' without a stellar cast". I'd argue that Dalton has already done that. His weapons were pretty poor in 2012 and 2014, and we won 10 games both years. Is he going to take turds to the Super Bowl? No...but no QB does that.