08-24-2018, 05:35 PM
(08-23-2018, 08:49 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You made the claim that Green could be holding Dalton back, the onus is on YOU to prove that claim, not me to refute it. I’ll just rely on the fact that anyone not in the Andy Dalton mega-fan club or non-Bengals fans in general would consider such a claim absolutely ridiculous. I’m not going to sit here and list a handful of plays where Dalton was clearly the reason a pass to AJ didn’t work (although we don’t have to go any further back that the last preseason game against Dallas) because that’s much too small a sample size considering they’ve been together 7 years. We could find plenty of evidence for both if we really tried, I just know which I would find more of.
I see that some of my responses were removed so I guess I better be careful on how I reply to you since you will probably go running.
I posted why in detail. You have yet to address the points made in the previous post and it just shows how lame any response from you will be.
Your response is the typical ignorant Green is the Greatest. No substance.
(08-24-2018, 12:48 AM)CornerBlitz Wrote: It's pretty ridiculous that people are even discussing this to be honest. Getting rid of the best Bengals WR in history could be better for the club? C'mon guys. Andy Dalton and the rest of this offense has wasted AJ's prime and it's a damn shame. I'm sick and tired of seeing AJ beat his man only to see a throw out of bounds or not even close.
It reminds me of the NBA when a superstar gets injured and the team goes on a 2 game win streak and everyone claims that the team is better without the superstar because the offense moves the ball more. It is pure nonsense.
OK, Strawman alert. NO ONE said to get rid of the Green. Just that Green COULD be a factor to some bad plays that we have had. Green has at times ran poor routes and has jogged for plays when he doesn't think he is getting the ball. This does in fact lead to those overthrows, since he isn't at the spot Dalton expects him to be.
It is nonsense to believe that one player is so super duper that he can't cause some bad plays.
(08-24-2018, 12:23 PM)HuDey Wrote: So...is this star WR holding back the QB thingy league wide, or is it exclusive to Cincinnati?
T.O. was considered a star WR that is holding back QBs, he is a HOF. Moss was hit with this as well in his time. Kelvin Benjamin was traded. Dez Bryant. Sammy Watkins. Giants have won 2 SBs without Odell, haven't done much since. I don't even know if they made the playoffs with Odell.
So does that answer your question? Probably not. It will probably be ignored or I am sure people will try and say that Green is better than all of them combined since Green is the Greatest.
(08-24-2018, 03:26 PM)Wyche Wrote: Mike Brown and Merv are the two biggest culprits holding anyone back......certainly not AJ.
No one is denying this.
However the point was that we don't know all of the factors in any given play and when Dalton misses his connection to Green, it isn't impossible to blame the miss on Green.
I used the words "for all we know" to clarify that we can't be sure, but their might be times where Green could be holding Dalton back. Instead of Dalton throwing to someone else, he force feeds to Green. If he doesn't throw to Green, then he is slammed for not going to his playmaker, if he does throw to Green and doesn't connect then he is blamed for forcing the ball.
Hell there are times that when Green gets the ball he wasn't the best option. Another WR could have gained more yardage or even a TD.
None of these points were addressed instead I was met with Green is the Greatest. The only one that has understood is Sunset.
