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(09-11-2015, 09:01 AM)djs7685 Wrote: You're just talking in a bunch of hypotheticals and such though.

I'm okay with ignoring Andy's 2014 because of all the injuries, that's fine, I honestly don't even care at this point. At the end of the day, you have NO idea how he honestly would have played if they didn't happen though, none of us know that, so we have to go by what happened. Andy had a good start and then shit hit the fan, but he had an okay year with everything considered. Dalton had one year that he "proved" that, and I'm not ready to ignore Flacco having 5-6 average to solid seasons along with 4 great postseasons just because of what Andy did 1 time in the regular season and 0 times in the playoffs. This isn't about what they could hypothetically do, it's about what they have done and are doing.

It has been since 2010 with Flacco by the way, I don't know why you keep saying 2012 only. 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2014. That's 4 years, and there has been NO other QB in the league in that timespan that has been as good as Joe in the playoffs. I hate Flacco, but I'm not going to just close my eyes to his accomplishments. He's one of my least favorite QBs in the league, I hate his face and his "hey, let's throw a deep ball with my rocket arm just to fish for DPI calls all year" bullshit.

I'm just sayin' man, if you can look at everything I just posted in the above and the other post and still try to tell me that Andy Dalton deserves to be higher than Joe Flacco, there's something seriously biased going on in your evaluation. I'm all for moving Andy up a few spots, no issue there, but there's no possible way that he should be higher than Joe. Not a chance.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but you love to compare QB's who have played 6 or 7 years in the NFL or more to AD who has played 4 years in the NFL. By your own admission, if you compare AD years 1 to 4 to Flacco (apples to apples), they are very similar with the slight edge going to AD overall in my opinion.

We can't compare AD yet in years 5 and beyond fairly. It is all hypothetical right now.

Once you factor in later years and Joe's Super Bowl run, he gets the edge in my opinion overall and a wide margin strictly in the playoffs (AD has the slight advantage in the regular season which is important as it could be argued AD did more to get his team into the playoffs in a one on one match up against Flacco.

The facts are all there and AD has to play better in the playoffs (also rest of team) and now in year 5, youth or inexperience or no longer an excuse. 2014 was a weird abnormality as most QB's or teams don't lose their #2 and #3 for most of the year and then also have their #1 miss almost 6 games of playing time. So, it is not an excuse, but I want to see how AD does in 2015 hopefully with his weapons more in tact as normal (some injuries are normal, but losing your top 3 in a playoff game) so we can see if he progresses or he has peaked.