10-22-2018, 06:21 PM
(10-22-2018, 05:49 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Sorry man, but that isn't enough change to explain going from 4-12 with the 32nd ranked offense (224 points) to 11-5 with the #1 ranked offense (478 points). Watkins was a bust in Buffalo. Sullivan was a backup with the Redskins. Kupp isn't exactly AJ Green. Whit was a nice add, but you don't go from freaking 32nd to 1st (they more than doubled their point total) just by adding Whitworth and 3 decent players.
The real difference was that Fisher couldn't get the best out of Goff. His system was primitive and predictable. But don't take my word for it. Todd Gurley called it a "middle school offense" during the 2016 season:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/rams-jared-goff-says-hes-living-with-bears-mitch-trubisky-this-offseason/
In the same article, there is a quote from Jordan Howard criticizing the Bears offense in 2017, saying the offense was "basic" and defenses "knew what we were going to do". So out went (defensive minded) John Fox, and in with (offensive minded) Matt Nagy. The Bears mimicked the Rams. Why? Coaching matters. A lot.
(10-22-2018, 05:55 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: You're gonna sit here and tell me that adding Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods was heralded as adding great talent?Really taking quotes from players is all we need to know about who is a good or bad coach? Every player is going to boost up the new coach and talk bad about the old coach after they left.
Woods had 12 TDs in 4 years in Buffalo. Never had more than 700 receiving yards until last year.
Watkins had a great year in 2015, but fell of drastically outside of that year.
The Rams had the WORST offense in football in 2015 AND 2016.
Then they rank 10th in the NFL the next year. That doesn't just change in one year unless things change overall. Sure. Players help.
But you really think the Rams are gonna have a top 10 offense under Jeff Fisher with that team?
Because facts would prove otherwise.
The best year they had on offense, they ranked 23rd in the NFL. In 2012.
From 2013-16 they ranked in the bottom five. And again, in case you forgot, were ranked dead last in the NFL for two straight years.
To the second point: The Bengals have had an elite group of players. And guess how many playoff wins they've won with inept coaching?
The following players have been All-Pros (first and second team) from those playoff years from 2011-15:
Geno Atkins (3x), Andre Smith, AJ Green (3x), Vontaze Burfict, Adam Jones, Kevin Huber, Andrew Whitworth (2x), Reggie Nelson
That's eight different players playing at elite levels. Three of them doing it multiple years.
You have a team with AJ Green, Tyler Eifert, Marvin Jones, Mohamed Sanu, Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap, Adam Jones, Vontze Burfict, Reggie Nelson, Andrew Whitworth, and many others. And you can't win ONE playoff game?
Or beat the Steelers more than three times in those five years?
Adding Whitworth alone made a bigger difference than mcvay and no Watkins wasn't a bust in Buffalo so adding him was a major upgrade to that team.
Wood's, Cupp, and Watkins we're a lot better than what they had than Austin, Quick, and whomever. Also Whit and Sullivan we're a lot better than what they had on the offensive line. They added 5 new quality players to their offensive team. They pretty much redid there WR core from the year prior that's very significant.
Thirdly Wolf we made the playoffs 5 straight years compare that to the rest of the league and tell me how were we stacked in comparison. Also how many playoff games has mcvay won as a head coach and coordinator? Does that make him less of a coach if he doesn't win one this year?
