We don't need no stinking help.

[*Nately120*]

(11-09-2018, 04:15 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Not just where I live, but pretty much everywhere in the country a playoff loss, no matter how bad, is better than not making the playoffs.

Ah I live in Steeler country. Not too many people around here were particularly impressed by the Bengals.  Some of them were pretty grateful they got to take in ol Marvin in the opening game.  Alas, their confidence was not their downfall.  Life is so unfair. 

Also I was at a Steelers Bengals game in Pittsburgh in 2013 and one guy there said "the Bengals will win the division but they won't do anything in the playoffs" damn that prophet!