How much do coaches matter ?

[*bengalfan74*]

(12-28-2018, 12:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Coaching obviously makes a big difference, but pretty much every coach ever has a had a losing season when he did not have talent.  It takes both talent and coaching to win it all.

If you read the article it says basically that talent can win with out great coaching, and that coaching has the greatest effect when there is less talent.  I agree with this.

But this whole argument can be turned into a circle with the argument that "talent" is something that is developed by coaching.  This is true to some point, but in the NFL even the best teams have high draft picks that flop, so, again, it takes talented players for a coach to win. 

And this is really the point Fred.

You, yourself claim Mike Brown has handicapped Marvin with less talent than __________________ insert team name here. This is the thing.

Marvin Lewis isn't capable of coaching up, scheming, game planning, exploiting the oppositions weakness, that we need with the talent level we have.

We're by no means and haven't been talentless. It's just beyond Marvin's ability to be able to exploit what talent he has above the competition game in game out.

Marvin to win would have to have that elite, generational QB, or that world class Oline, the 85 Bears defense, and so on. He's not able to out football the better teams in the league. 

He doesn't have the ability to bring out the best from all the players he has. He says this is what we're doing and that's it. That only comes together and works against the lesser teams in the league.

We need a much better coach to have any chance under Mike Brown, it's just that simple.