09-24-2015, 08:33 PM
(09-24-2015, 08:12 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It has to do with the judgment that comes with the word. I know women that will proudly proclaim their fatness and they have more self-esteem about themselves. But women that struggle with their body image can have a problem with the word. For people that have been overweight for most or all of their lives, we have lived a life filled with ridicule. We hear someone laughing near us, we often assume a joke was made at our expense. When talking to us, we figure your thoughts are filled with judgement directed towards us.
So anyway, women that try to avoid the word fat are often trying to reclaim some of that self-esteem by avoiding the negativity associated with the word.
OK, but here is what I don't understand. Skinny women and "stacked" women can and do have similar issues. The thin are self conscious about being judged as anorexic or "built like a boy" and the curvy ones think people discount them too - women are jealous of their sex appeal and men objectify them and ogle them. Yet I have never heard a thin woman call herself curvy or a curvy woman call herself "boyish."
A lot of people are a-holes. I have been teased my whole life about my appearance. I am tall and thin. I was teased more for the latter in childhood and more for the former in adulthood. To this day I am regularly called "Lurch," asked if I am "eight feet tall?" etc.
So, it is not only fat folks who are objectified because of their looks and self conscious and have the sorts of thoughts you described when they hear someone laughing or when someone new meets them... I just have not encountered another group who took a descriptor that was inaccurate and self-applied it. Thin guys get razzed about being "98 pound weaklings" but don't call themselves "stocky." Fat guys get the fat shaming but don't call themselves "lean." And even the muscular guys have people hating on them for being "muscle bound" but don't call themselves "average." Again, people are a-holes. But of all the various men and women who are judged, mocked, objectified for their looks only one group has reacted the way the "curvy women movement" has.
Reclaiming self-esteem is great. I am cool with a woman saying, "I like being fat" or "I don't care" and/or my significant other thinks I am gorgeous. But referring to themselves as "curvy" seems like denial or delusion to me, and not healthy. It would be like me calling myself short - it is just a lie.
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