04-10-2019, 07:12 PM
(04-10-2019, 05:10 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I specifically said the last few years where there's no OL, he hasn't been good at the deep ball because there is no time. At least read a post before you reply to it. Nobody can throw the deep ball without time. You need time for players to actually get downfield.
The long completions for Chad were usually him making some outstanding circus toe-tap on the sideline, or throwing out some great moves and getting that YAC. You act like all great WRs don't make their QBs better and Palmer is somehow an exception? Chad was great even with Jon Kitna as his QB.
I called you out for comparing PLAYERS from different eras with COUNTING stats. I compared the league as an era versus the league as an era, and rankings versus rankings. It doesn't matter what era you are talking about, 1st will be 1st, 10th will be 10th. That's why it is something that is actually able to be compared over eras opposed to just flat receiving yards which vastly varies over time as rule changes make passing easier.
What does the Browns record matter when they were a top passing defense? A top passing defense is a top passing defense regardless if they were 0-16 or 16-0. Chad had to play 3 top passing defenses, twice a year each, and still was great.
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Anyone who follows this team wouldn't know that the teams Chad played with had more talent, because it's just not true.
2003-2007 Pro Bowlers (minus Chad)...
2003: Willie Anderson
2004: Willie Anderson, Rudi Johnson, Tory James
2005: Willie Anderson, Carson Palmer, Deltha O'Neil, Shayne Graham
2006: Willie Anderson, Carson Palmer
2007: TJ Houshmandzadeh
(Only 1 non-Chad 1st Team All-Pro in those 5 years, Willie Anderson.)
2011-2015 Pro Bowlers (minus AJ)...
2011: Geno Atkins, Andy Dalton, Jermaine Gresham
2012: Geno Atkins, Jermaine Gresham, Andrew Whitworth
2013: Vontaze Burfict
2014: Geno Atkins, Andy Dalton, Kevin Huber
2015: Geno Atkins, Tyler Eifert, Reggie Nelson, Cedric Peerman, Andrew Whitworth
(3 non-AJ 1st Team All-Pros in those 5 years, Geno Atkins, Andrew Whitworth, Adam Jones.)
So there goes that "Chad had a more talented team around him" argument, too. AJ played with a QB who had just as many Pro Bowls as Chad did, but AJ had the advantage of playing with TWO Pro Bowl TEs to Chad's one time Pro Bowl WR, and AJ also had an elite defense to back him up.
If Chad got to play these soft AFCN defenses, with modern NFL rules about touching and hitting WRs, the guy would be running wild. He was busy leaking his brains from headhunting elite passing defenses and still was consistently at the top.
Just because he left ugly, doesn't mean you should forget who he was and how great he played.
Game. Set. Match.
