Silver Article on Palmer

[Shake n Blake]

(10-02-2015, 09:44 AM)PDub80 Wrote: ^ Really disappointing post from someone who clearly invested in a #14 jersey.

I am really happy and surprised with how Dalton has played. He's been exactly what the team has needed and then some. But lets not let a 3 game streak from a notoriously streaky QB get in the way of facts.....

- You bring up Dalton's rookie year to dispute someone saying Dalton has had some of the most talented teams in the league to work with over the past 4 seasons? Way to take a snippet of a comment and twist it around. Reminds me of the ads for movies where they take a snippet of a quote and put it at the top. Reviewer writes "Tries to be the best QB ever" and the ad department turns it into "Best QB ever.". No one... repeat... no one has banged on Andy for his rookie year or said that his rookie year he had one of the most talented teams in the NFL. Yet, you twist it into that?

- Carson lost in the playoffs twice? Sure. Only, he played 2 snaps in one of them and the other was a collective melt down after a strong start where Coles fumbled the ball on the Jets 26 after a great kickoff return. Carson's play vs. the Jets in 2009 does not even come close to = Dalton filling his pants against the Chargers in 2013.

- The defense got them to the playoffs in 2009? That vaunted D that at the end of the season gave up 37 points to the Jets and got the ball ran all over them? In 2009 I remember Carson leading multiple 4th quarter comebacks. Especially the Browns game in OT when he literally told Marvin "No", called a timeout, and sent the punt team back off the field... Then went and got the first down so the kicker could win the game? Carson doesn't do that and the Bengals play for the tie, like Marvin wanted to do, and they don't make the playoffs that year at all.

- In 2006 & 2007, that killer D that Carson allegedly had stunk. In fact, most of Carson's career in Cincy it the D had been nowhere close to what AD has had to work with. Consider this: When combining the 2006 & 2007 seasons, if the Bengals D would have held opponents to 24 points or less they would have won 12 more games between the two seasons, had 1st round byes in both years, and one of the best records in the NFL. Marvin's teams stunk on D & special teams while Carson was in Cincy. S-T-U-N-K. And people want to be butt hurt that after 8 years of it Carson said he was out? Nothing had changed or had gotten better nor were there indicators of an up tick. Only AFTER Carson publicly humiliated the organization did things change.

- Everyone predicted 0-16 because based on how the Bengals were being coached and ran. And rightfully so, IMO. They were AWFUL and perennial under achievers and some of the worst coached teams in the NFL. Marvin has changed a lot since.

I think AD has played great and looks like a different QB so far this season. But he did last season after 3 games as well. I hope he continues. I want him to continue. Heck, if he can avg. a passer rating in the upper 90's for the season the Bengals should be a good bet to win a lot of games. But, that still doesn't make him as good as Carson nor change the fact that Carson would have been the superior talent/QB on this team over the last 4 seasons.

It's cute to root for AD, but maybe consider pumping the brakes on the revisionist history?

^ Really disappointing post from someone who obviously invested in a #9 jersey and just can't let go. 

- Carson had a substantially worse rating in the Jets game (58.3) than Dalton had against the Chargers (67.3). Yet it was nowhere near as bad in your view?

C'mon now... 

- You're right about 2009. How could a defense that allowed 37 points in that last game have led them to the playoffs? It had to be the QB who had a 1.7 passer rating in that very same game . In 2009, we ranked 4th in total defense and 9th in rush yards. Carson was 16th in passer rating and 18th in yards. Take what you will from that.

- Palmer had a killer D and run game in 2009. What did he do with it? He lost in round 1 and looked terrible in the process. Sound familiar? As for all the change you credit Palmer for, what exactly changed? The only coach they swapped was Brat. The scouting department is still small. They never built a practice facility. The biggest change (easily) was swapping Palmer and Chad for Dalton and AJ. 

As for your last paragraph, it's all your opinion. Period. An opinion that you simply cannot prove. Palmer has a career rating of 86.9 compared to 86.7 for Dalton, so it's odd that anyone would think there's a huge gap in talent between the two. Dalton is 4 for 4 in making the playoffs. Palmer has been there twice in 11 years. 

People can't talk Palmer up without including dozens of excuses, yet some of the same people mentioning all these excuses would rip anyone making excuses for Dalton. It's silly. Without using excuses for either QB, has Palmer's career been more impressive than Dalton's? IMO, that's an emphatic "no".