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John Ross Haters
(09-09-2019, 02:46 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I have defended ross against the extreme haters. Posted a list of really good wrs who didn't do much their first two seasons.

On the other hand i have posted stats showing that ross's numbers last year (catch%, yds per target) were among the very worst by any wr with at least 50 targets over the last decade.

I am thrilled shitless to see him have a game like this. Funny thing is that his defenders often argued that the problem was he was targeted deep too often, but his big numbers Sunday were due to being targeted deep.

Ross may be effective on short routes, but short routes don't keep the safety deep. A deep threat may not have big catch numbers but he will create yards for other receivers by keeping the defense loose.

I saw few arguing about him being targeted deep.  However, it's important to point out that deep passes have a lower rate of completion when a player who sees a lot of deep targets is being dinged for having a poor catch percentage.

Another topic was route selection.  Last year, he would constantly run fly routes which has a very low chance of completion in the NFL and is really more of a clear out route.  His 2 TD's were on a wheel route and an out and up.  
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