09-29-2019, 11:29 PM
(09-28-2019, 01:59 PM)kevin Wrote: First off Joey Votto has to go on just payroll alone. The Reds are into him for 22.5 Mil a year for 5 more years. Now those who disagree then there is no talking to you, and enjoy last place the next 5 years.
The Reds must put all effort into making some kind of trade for Votto where a team picks up the majority of his contract and Reds get out of this contract. This is not about Votto at the plate. This is about dumping his contract. Trading Votto and still paying him is stupid, because the entire point of trading him is to Not Pay Him.
Dumping Votto saves 22,5 M a year, 112.5 M over 5 years. Reds need to dump the majority of this. Dumping Bailey contract shows anything possible.
Reds can't afford Votto and all arguments are pointless. It all ends back at Reds Can't Afford Him.
So Votto HAS to go or all other off season moves are pointless.
Along with Votto, Reds can't afford Gausman or Galvis. Gausman at 9.3 M and Galvis at 5 M. They need to go also
Then there are Free Agents not to resign in Wood and shortstop Iglesias. Wood at 9.6 and Iglesias at 2.5 but he will get much more in free agency than that. I like Iglesias but his price tag will go too high and there are other good fielding shortstops at a less price tag.
So on getting rid of contracts of VOTTO, Gausman, Galvis, Wood, shortstop Iglesias the Reds dump around 49 million in payroll.
The 49 million is not all profit because Reds must resign Aquino, Senzel and Van Meter for the 2020 season. Reds however would be wise not to get carried away by their rookie seasons and sign them to Votto type contracts. The Reds are not the Yankees and must avoid 100 to 200 million contracts to just one player. It leaves little payroll for other players.
So there are players not to keep and players to keep.
Reds really have to trade most of Votto contract and dump Gausman, Galvis, Wood & Shortstop Iglesias and trim around 49 million from the budget. Then dig into the 49 million a little to keep Aquino, Van Meter and Senzel at not over paid contracts into next season.
Again, if they keep Votto they are not moving into the future and are locked into Last Place. Those who can't see this are too Old School Baseball not looking at the economics. If Votto continues to struggle at the plate or has a comeback season it doesn't matter either way, because Reds can't afford to spend this much money on one player.
To those who would cry to see him go, remember if the Reds can finish in Last with Votto, they can finish no worse than Last without Votto.
Trading Votto and most of his contract won't be easy, but that whole Bailey deal shows anything possible. Put everything into freeing up most of that 112.5 million and more they still have to pay him. Get out from under. This has nothing to do with homers or OBP. Dump his too high contract. It's easy to see Dodgers dumped payroll on Reds also, but all 1 year contracts the Reds got out of fast enough. Maybe the Reds can trade Votto for a bunch of high one year contracts and dump the one year guys just as fast again.
I don't expect man crush fans to understand the economics of this, but it is very simple. Reds are NOT the Yankees and not even close, and Reds can not afford this contract. It's that simple. The 5 year Votto contract is like a 5 year Last Place prison sentence.
There may be other player moves, but these are the main ones. Dump contracts of Votto, Gausman, Garvis, Wood, SS-Iglesias at a savings of 49 mil, and keep Aquino, Van Meter, Senzel at contracts Reds can afford. This should leave a a good chunk of the 49 million for other much needed player moves coming up.
The Reds should continue to look for players on the cheap. There is nothing wrong with getting a Scooter Gennett or SS like Iglesias for a year or so on the cheap. Reds need to keep their eye out for more discount department store deals like these. So what if the guy is only here a year or two while he plays his butt off to be worth more in free agency, that's to Reds advantage.
Votto won’t approve a trade unless the Reds tell him that he will be a platoon player if he stays. Ownership seems to kiss his rear so that’s not gonna happen. Let’s say that he does approve a trade... I think his actual contract is 25 Mil a year for the next 4 years and then a 7 Mil buyout in 2024. He will be 36 next year. Who would invest 4 years in him? How much would they take on each year? I’m guessing 8,7,5 and 5 with the Reds paying for the buyout year. That only gives the Reds 8, 7, 5 and 5 each year of extra money. They will have to eat the rest. So is Votto worth that 8,7,5 and 5 to the Reds to keep him? It would be nice if the Reds had a young power hitting first baseman in the minors ready to come up.
