First Take says Bengals will ruin Joe Burrow

[Shake n Blake]

(01-16-2020, 02:52 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Was his subjective non-factual opinion with no binding statements or stakes incorrect?

...No...

It was just him being a hater. There's nothing to be correct or incorrect about here.

Look, it's not a controversial statement to say Mike Brown sucks as an owner, and there are plenty of facts to back that up.

(01-18-2020, 12:23 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Good stuff there.

I almost hesitate to take the time to make this post because i'm already sure it's going to mostly fall on deaf ears, or will just be looked over due to already set opinions (either way) that aren't likely to change, no matter what...

I've said before that a QB can make a huge difference on a losing team. There's a post around here somewhere about all of the things in his control and how one guys decisions could produce a completely different outcome, over the decisions that were made by the current QB. Better decisions, better ball placement, be pocket awareness, etc. 

If you take the Bengals record this past year and look at all the games lost by a touchdown or less, it's so easy to conclude that if a better QB makes a couple diffferent decisions, or is able to place the ball better, the team is automatically that many games better by changing a player at one single position. With that being said, even if you replaced the QB and won all those games, you're still looking at a .500 team. 

When you don't draft the right players, use free agency and create a system that fits your players talents, you have to work that much harder just to play winning football, let along make the playoffs and compete for a championship. That's where the blow back comes from in the video you posted, from the many talking heads out there. You're trying to compete while keeping yourself at a competitive disadvantage.

This past season, Dalton wasn't getting the job done so the team decided to try Ryan Finley. That obviously didn't work, so all the Dalton fans that are still hanging on came out and proclaimed "i told you so" (among other things...w/e). That doesn't mean Joe Burrow, or any other 1st round talent QB can't come in here and improve the team. The thing is, he may improve the team but that improvement is only going to be proportionate to how much the FO invests in free agency and how well they do in the draft, as well as implementing a scheme that works with the players you have. 

It's a 3 fold scenario. Burrow will improve the team to an extent. Then it's up to the FO to build a team and put in a scheme that works. For the life of me, i can't understand why that's not easy to see, from fans or the front office. The worst part is, up to right now, the front office doesn't seem to be able to see this, or they're just not able to do it. Or even worse, they're not willing to make the investment to do it. 

Aaaaaaand with that last paragraph, i've just thrown a damper on next season and they haven't even started training camp yet. Thanks Rick...

Or maybe i should be thanking Mike Brown for creating this whole mindset and solidifying it with almost 30 seasons of failure, shortcomings, hope and coming up just short. 

I think we agree for the most part. I think Burrow can come in and make an impact. That said, even elite QBs need structure and competence around them. A front office that has an attitude that matches the talent level of a QB like Burrow, if that makes sense.

They need to meet him halfway and just be willing to put talent and good coaching around him, and KEEP it that way. With both Carson and Dalton, we started off good, but let the talent deteriorate and the coaching stagnate.

(01-18-2020, 10:24 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Carson did do it.

We were probably the best team in the NFL in 2005. We had high expectations but failed to meet them for a variety of reasons not necessarily associated with "we bad" decisions from 2006 to 2008 (many were reverberating issues from Carson's 2005 injury). In 2009 we swept the division.

We were, by and large, a respectable team heading into 2010, where we became a bit of a circus with Chad going crazy and TO being just good enough to cause drama all over the place.

And then from 2012 to 2017, with Dalton, we were considered a playoff worthy franchise, although 2016 and 2017 did not go according to plan.

We still struggled with playoff wins but we were, in every conceivable way, turned around. A lot of that had to do with Carson Palmer turning the team around from its hilarious ineptitude before him (remember, before 2005, we hadn't hit .500 since 1990.)

And, what, now we have a few bad seasons and we're suddenly irredeemable again?

This is some bullshit spewing out of TJ's mouth.

Carson turned it around temporarily. Mainly because we let the o-line deteriorate and never addressed the defense seriously in free agency during his tenure. CP had a losing record as starter for us. There is no excuse for that. That's on the front office.