Joe speaks out

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(05-31-2020, 11:57 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: The ones with authority and power should be the ones to break the cycle. I don't think that's a controversial statement.

The black people are more likely to resist arrest because they fear they are going to be murdered by the police, which is backed by historical data. The police are the ones in control of the situation. It is their job to stop murdering black people.

Once they stop murdering black people, black people will be less likely to resist arrest and the cycle will  be broken.

If black people attempt to break the cycle by not resisting arrest and then just get murdered anyway, that does not break the cycle.

It is the police's job to keep a level head, not the victim of their brutality.

As far as not committing crimes, fine. But you have to understand the circumstances of these cases. George Floyd may have been "resisting arrest" (although even that is uncertain) but the matter of whether or not he committed a crime is still very much up for debate. As far as we know now, he was arrested because he was accused of trying to pass a counterfeit 20 dollar bill. But...maybe he got that from one of his friends or another transaction and he was not aware it was counterfeit. Having counterfeit money does not mean you made it or even knowingly have counterfeit money. But no, they immediately went to handcuffing and suffocating him. Why? 

The same goes for a variety of the other shootings that have made the news. Philando Castile did literally nothing wrong and was murdered for exercising his 2nd amendment rights. Breonna Taylor was killed by the police because they broke into her house erroneously.

I'm urging you to stop victim blaming. Hold accountable those that deserve to be held accountable. Not the victims of police brutality.

Police Officers are also much more likely to murdered by African American suspects.  That's also a historical fact that you don't seem willing to acknowledge.  

So, your solution is to basically say African Americans can resist arrest as much as they want.  Do you even feel that they should be charged with resisting arrest?  It is a crime, you know.  Is being scared a free excuse to commit crimes?

Furthermore, a point I've made this entire thread is that when suspects resist arrest, they are much more likely to be slain being taken into custody.  Nothing good is going to come out of resisting arrest.  If you get taken down on concrete, you can crack your head and die.  If a cop thinks you're going for a weapon, he can shoot you.  Best case scenario, they take you in still in one piece and you get extra charges.  It's the stupidest humanly possible thing you can do in those circumstances.  

You do not have your facts straight in the Floyd case.  He was reported by the store clerks for both passing a counterfeit $20 and public intoxication.  He was not immediately handcuffed and thrown to the ground, either.  Security footage shows that they talked to Floyd at his vehicle.  An officer appears to check his wallet, then he is handcuffed.  They then take him over to the wall of the building where the security camera was mounted, an officer speaks with him and helps him get to his feet.  They then escort him across the intersection towards the car that's going to take him away and he appears to half ass try to pull away from the officers and stumbles and falls in front of a car that blocks that camera's view of him and the cops pile on from there.  Public intoxication is pretty easy to tell.  Since they can easily arrest him with cause for public intoxication, they can sort out the counterfeit bills down at the station.  Also, it depends on the state as to whether simply using counterfeit bills is a crime or not.  In some states, the law states that you have to know it was counterfeit and be using it in an attempt to defraud.  In others, just using it is a crime, regardless of knowledge or intent.

Philandro Castille was driving while using marijuana with his girlfriend and her 5 year old daughter in the car.  He also failed to inform the officer that he had a licence for his firearm, which you are required to do when stopped by an officer.  Even his girlfriend's testimony states that he only told the officer that he had a firearm in the car, not that he was licensed.  He also matched the description of a suspect in a nearby robbery and didn't stop reaching for items when the officer instructed him repeatedly not to.  Breonna Taylor was killed in a firefight when police served a no-knock warrant on her residence after suspects in a drug arrest told police that she was receiving drugs at her residence as part of a drug smuggling ring and her boyfriend opened fire on police. You either don't do your research or have a very loose definition of "didn't do anything wrong."

You're right.  We should hold the perpetrators responsible.  Chauvin should go to jail.  I have a coworker who had his truck stolen when he left it unlocked and still running in a gas station parking lot when he went in to get his morning coffee.  Should the thief be prosecuted?  Absolutely.  Did my coworker put himself in a situation where there was a good chance his truck would be stolen?  Absolutely.  When you put yourself in bad situations, bad things are going to happen to you.  It's not right or fair, but it's reality.  You're always better off making good decisions and exercising reasonable precautions to keep yourself from becoming a victim than trying to seek justice after you've been victimized.  Control the things you can control, then try to change the system.