Bonds over Rose?

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(06-18-2020, 10:20 PM)guyofthetiger Wrote: I think Rose was more durable than Bonds. Rose played 110 percent all the time. Bonds got lazy near the end.

See, this is the type of BS I'm talking about above; who cares?

A hustling, 110% Pete Rose, still isn't in the same realm as a lazy Barry Bonds.

(06-19-2020, 05:19 AM)samhain Wrote: I will say one thing that I'm surprised nobody's mentioned about Peter Edward in the Bonds debate: WS titles. Pete does have that on Bonds. He has two with the Reds and one with Philadelphia. Now, I'll give you that Pete played on one of the greatest offensive teams ever assembled when he one two of them, but it's still a factor.

I'll also grant that in baseball, careers are probably judged on the number of titles accumulated less so than in football.

Bonds played on some good Pittsburgh teams and went to at least one Series with SF. Still, you have to wonder how much about stories of him being a malignant presence in the clubhouse affected his teams' ability to succeed in the long haul. Pete did some turdly things, too, but you rarely heard about him being a clubhouse cancer from his teammates.

Indeed; WS titles seem to mean nothing, unless you are the Yankees (for HoF consideration).

Bonds in the playoffs was weird; he seemed to not be able to translate his regular season play into the playoffs, until he went to SF.

Those Pirate teams folded big time in the playoffs, always; aside from 1997, Leyland's teams always seemed to fold when the going was tough.

As much as it was great to see so many deserving Angels win the title in 2002 (Tim Salmon! <3), the Giants were the more-deserving (and outright better) team, in 2002; Bonds, Kent, Aurilia, Lofton, J.T. Snow, all put in a ton of work for years and they only ever got one shot (well, not for Lofton lol), only to lose to an inferior team that played well-above their ability (also doesn't help that playoff stalwart, Livan Hernandez, completely folded).

I mean, at the time they were darlings, but who today remembers Brendan Donnelly, Scott Spezio and Chone Figgins? Benji Gil went 4/5 in the series, the majority of guys were young or in their prime, who hadn't paid their dues or anything like the Giants (I know, that means jack **** in sports).

But, like with Leyland, Dusty Baker teams have always been regular season heroes, playoff, "shit-the-bedders;" 22 years as a manger, only 1 pennant (in 2002) and no WS wins.

That's awful.